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Old January 11th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #1961
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I've noticed there seems to be three "hubs": Canary Wharf, London Bridge, and London City (where 30 St Mary Ave is located - would that be correct term?), and I'm wondering what the transit hub of London City is?

I know the Shard is over/near London Bridge Station, which they are renovating, and that Canary Wharf has a rather "large" station as well. But I just didn't know much about that in the city center - i.e. if Cross Rail enters the area at all, etc.
There are a few main stations that serve the city, Liverpool street, cannon street and blackfrias. All these stations have national rail, also there are many underground station in the square mile, bank, monument just to name a few. So the city of London is pretty well connected I think.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #1962
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I've noticed there seems to be three "hubs": Canary Wharf, London Bridge, and London City (where 30 St Mary Ave is located - would that be correct term?), and I'm wondering what the transit hub of London City is?

I know the Shard is over/near London Bridge Station, which they are renovating, and that Canary Wharf has a rather "large" station as well. But I just didn't know much about that in the city center - i.e. if Cross Rail enters the area at all, etc.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #1963
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I've noticed there seems to be three "hubs": Canary Wharf, London Bridge, and London City (where 30 St Mary Ave is located - would that be correct term?), and I'm wondering what the transit hub of London City is?

I know the Shard is over/near London Bridge Station, which they are renovating, and that Canary Wharf has a rather "large" station as well. But I just didn't know much about that in the city center - i.e. if Cross Rail enters the area at all, etc.

There isn't a main hub station like New York has 'Grand Central' etc.

There are a few very large stations though, King's Cross and King's Cross St Pancras, Waterloo - (the UK's busiest station) Then London Bridge Station and Victoria ..
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Old January 12th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #1964
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I've noticed there seems to be three "hubs": Canary Wharf, London Bridge, and London City (where 30 St Mary Ave is located - would that be correct term?), and I'm wondering what the transit hub of London City is?

I know the Shard is over/near London Bridge Station, which they are renovating, and that Canary Wharf has a rather "large" station as well. But I just didn't know much about that in the city center - i.e. if Cross Rail enters the area at all, etc.
Interesting question. London Bridge and the City of London are right next to each other (technically London Bridge itself - the bridge that is - is part of the City of London, but the area referred to as London Bridge is to the south of the bridge), so I wouldn't really see them as separate hubs. London Bridge is more an over-spill of the City. It has the advantage of having a large mainline and tube station there (London Bridge Station). The City also has a large mainline and tube station (Liverpool Street Station) as well as several smaller mainline stations and a whole load of tube stations.

Canary Wharf doesn't have any mainline stations. It has a very large tube station and several DLR stations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway). Transport capacity to Canary Wharf is nearing breaking point. When Crossrail is complete in 2018 there will be a station at Canary Wharf which will help considerably.

This all misses out the City of Westminster, which actually has more office space than Canary Wharf and is the second "hub" after the City of London - though it's a little more spread out. In fact the whole area from the City of London heading west through Westminster (areas such as Holborn) is full of office space. The City of London is more financial services, whereas as you head west you get more law firms and media type business.

There are then several smaller hubs such as the Kings Cross area of Camden, or Paddington that have reasonable amounts of office space in the area. This is mainly due to the large main line stations in the area (King's Cross Station, St Pancras Station and Euston Station in the Kings Cross area and Paddington Station in the Paddington area - and yes Kings Cross has no apostrophe but King's Cross Station has one).

Hope that goes some way to explaining how things are.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 05:54 AM   #1965
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Oh yes, that all helps.
I've just been wondering about this as these new office towers have pretty much been popping up in 3 general areas. Figured it must have to do with transit availability (as it usually does in most places).
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Old January 12th, 2013, 06:51 AM   #1966
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Oh yes, that all helps.
I've just been wondering about this as these new office towers have pretty much been popping up in 3 general areas. Figured it must have to do with transit availability (as it usually does in most places).

The thing is that pretty much all of central London (Westminster, The City, London Bridge (South Bank), could be considered a transportation hub for most cities, all the areas mentioned above have multiple bus, underground and rail services within a walking distance.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #1967
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London is very well connected.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #1968
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London is very well connected.
ha, well THAT I knew. I'm just not so familiar with the city, so it's hard to see how each piece fits together.

Seems to me they're really focusing on regional [heavy] rail at the moment? I think that's a real advantage London has over most cities (especially NY): the subway in NYC is okay, but regional connections are kind of constrained at the moment. London has been working very diligently to solve those issues the last several years I think(?).

Anyways, I guess what I mean, is that the transit developments have set a clear path for the new residential and office developments that have recently begun. It seems more advantageous to have several smaller "cores" than one huge one.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #1969
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I know it's off topic but here is a rail map of London.

Underground, overground, Docklands light railway, national rail etc..



Obviously, you have the high speed cross rail to add to this soon, bus routes, fast river clippers and the new Emirates Air Line (cable car) at Canary Wharf. The city airport is right in the centre too, with 4 major airports in the metropolitan area.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #1970
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Pinnacle developers target extra £500m as Brookfield retained

Exclusive: The Pinnacle’s developers are seeking £500m of extra funding to complete construction after renewing their loan with HSH Nordbank and confirming Brookfield Multiplex as the main contractor for remaining work.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #1971
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Old January 14th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #1972
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It is certainly good news. I think we will definitely see continued construction this summer.
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Old January 14th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1973
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Old January 15th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #1974
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Oh yes, that all helps.
I've just been wondering about this as these new office towers have pretty much been popping up in 3 general areas. Figured it must have to do with transit availability (as it usually does in most places).
It's not really about transit, that is more of a consequence. London is a very old city, the City of London has been a financial centre for 200 years. The Bank of England was originally located there. So most of the modern train and bus networks are predated by the rise to prominence of the banking district.

The main reason that London's skyscrapers are in the same two places is planning permission: it was impossible to get planning permission for a skyscraper in London until the 80's, and then only in the City and in Canary wharf. There are pretty much no skyscrapers apart from in those places, except maybe Centre point. And of course the Shard, which was only accepted as it was such an iconic design.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 04:05 AM   #1975
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Pinnacle may be scrapped and rebuilt from ground up

London’s £1bn Pinnacle tower could be knocked down and rebuilt from scratch following a review of the project to make it more viable in the current market, Building has learned.



A review of the scheme aimed at reducing the cost - expected to take about three months - is being carried out by contractor Brookfield Multiplex and developer Arab Investments.

Securing a pre-let remains crucial to advancing the scheme and a source close to the developer said this week “all options” are being looked at in the review of the project.

Building has learned options being drawn up for the future of the scheme include a proposal by Lipton Rogers, the fledgling developer launched by Sir Stuart Lipton and former Stanhope director Peter Rogers, to focus on affordable office developments.

It is understood this would involve a cut-price alternative to the stalled Pinnacle, possibly demolishing the above-ground work already completed - seven floors of concrete core - and starting from the groundworks up. One source said such a redesign of the scheme would “start from scratch”.

It is understood that Lipton Rogers has not yet contacted Arab Investments with the proposal, but if the new venture does makes a formal approach, it will go head-to-head with Brookfield Multiplex.

A well-placed source said that Brookfield was still the favourite to develop out the job.

Another source said the most likely route for Lipton Rogers to get involved in the scheme would be to join the development as a minority stakeholder alongside Arab Investments.

The source said Lipton Rogers “could inject enough equity, say 10-20%, to move the project forward to a sufficient stage to secure a pre-let”. Any proposed scheme is likely to be significantly different to the existing spiralling design - estimated to cost about £1bn - conceived pre-recession by architecture practice KPF.

The 63-storey Pinnacle would be the City of London’s tallest tower if built, but has lain dormant for over a year due to funding issues.

Last month the scheme received a boost after Arab Investments secured a two-to-three year extension to a £140m bank loan, while the three special vehicles that own the project also reached an out-of-court settlement in a legal battle with Brookfield Multiplex over £16m in unpaid fees. That agreement led to the current review being undertaken.

Lipton Rogers and Arab Investments declined to comment. Brookfield Multiplex was unavailable.

http://www.building.co.uk/news/pinna...049526.article
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 04:12 AM   #1976
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Hmmm ...
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 06:15 AM   #1977
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Sad news. I really love the design. But if something smaller and less grand has a better chance of being built, so be it. Nothing worse than a stalled out project.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #1978
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That rendering looks soooo real... how did they do it? CGI that ILM/Weta Digital did?
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:35 PM   #1979
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It would be a shame to scrap this design and something this height. The City needs a focal point.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #1980
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