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Old February 20th, 2007, 03:45 PM   #1
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oldest estate in singapore

happy new year everyone!

was wondering if anyone knew what the oldest housing estate is in singapore? HDB and private (non-landed housing).

sorry if this has been asked and answered before!
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Old February 20th, 2007, 04:17 PM   #2
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happy new year everyone!

was wondering if anyone knew what the oldest housing estate is in singapore? HDB and private (non-landed housing).

sorry if this has been asked and answered before!
think is either toa payoh or queenstown.
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Old February 20th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #3
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HDB should be TPY.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 02:52 AM   #4
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think is either toa payoh or queenstown.
Why not Tiong Bahru or Bukit Ho Swee?
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Old February 21st, 2007, 02:55 AM   #5
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Actually yah now that Tiong Bahru is mentioned, I think it is the oldest one.

However I wonder which is the first full estate to take off the ground with independent Singapore. Maybe Toa Payoh?
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Old February 21st, 2007, 03:06 AM   #6
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Actually yah now that Tiong Bahru is mentioned, I think it is the oldest one.

However I wonder which is the first full estate to take off the ground with independent Singapore. Maybe Toa Payoh?
Toa Payoh is the first "New Town", completely planned from ground up with full facilities like a stadium, pools, parks, bus interchange, retail shops etc.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 04:49 AM   #7
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Bukit Ho Swee has the first HDB flat, while Toa Payoh is the first "Town" being built.

But how come after so many years, it's still a "New Town" ? ?
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Old February 21st, 2007, 03:56 PM   #8
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so how old is old? is bukit ho swee more than 30 years old? what about toa payoh?

wondering how old will the government allow the buildings to get? seems that most buildings are torn down quite quickly and nothing has even remotely approached the 99 year limit.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 06:14 PM   #9
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actually this is abit confussing... for Housing Estate: Queestown, Toa Payoh and Bukit Ho Swee goes into the list... Tao Payoh is considered as the first NEW TOWN, whereas Queestown i'm not sure, but it came before Tao Payoh during the 1960s if i'm not wrong... And Bukit Ho Swee flats came after the huge fire, which is what year you might want to check it out... as for Tiong Bahru, i dont know whether it's consided as housing estate at that time...

99 years is a limit but redevelopment is very common, thus i guess most dont last for 99 years...
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 11:30 AM   #10
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And Bukit Ho Swee flats came after the huge fire, which is what year you might want to check it out... as for Tiong Bahru, i dont know whether it's consided as housing estate at that time
Bukit Ho Swee may not be the oldest HDB estate in Singapore as it was built only in 1963, after the big Bukit Ho Swee fire in 1961 displaced 16,000 people from the squatter settlement:







Queenstown was already a huge housing estate in the fifties (earlier than Bukit Ho Swee). 14 storey flats in Queenstown, 1956 (I used to visit these tall flats until the 90s when they were demolished):






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Old February 22nd, 2007, 02:36 PM   #11
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great old pics!

if the govt demolishes your HDB and they give you a new one as a replacement - how many years on the 99 year lease do you have? do they start again at 99? or do they count the earlier years as part of it?
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 02:37 PM   #12
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Interesting finds there!

I got a feeling the blocks in the 1st 3 pics are still around cos the hilly landscape looks familiar.

If I not wrong they would be the HDB blocks behind Meraprime.
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Interesting finds there!

I got a feeling the blocks in the 1st 3 pics are still around cos the hilly landscape looks familiar.

If I not wrong they would be the HDB blocks behind Meraprime.
Yes you are right. Those should be the Jalan Bukit Ho Swee part of Tiong Bahru, behind the Meraprime/Beo Crescent/Jalan Klinik area.

The HDB blocks were built on the site of the big fire which burned all the way through the slums until it stopped strangely before the Zion Road/Havelock Road temple presently opposite Holiday Inn. It was said that this temple was well-respected by worshippers because the fire "could not touch it" as it was "protected by the gods".
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 06:03 PM   #14
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great old pics!

if the govt demolishes your HDB and they give you a new one as a replacement - how many years on the 99 year lease do you have? do they start again at 99? or do they count the earlier years as part of it?
The govt do not actually give you a new flat as a replacement - you have to purchase it at a special discount from the market price minus the compensation given for your old flat. Since it is bought new by yourself, it is a new 99 years lease for your new flat.
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Old February 22nd, 2007, 07:46 PM   #15
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great information!
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 04:10 AM   #16
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great information!
This is just the tip of the iceberg, or the appetizer. If anyone is interested to see a lot more similar pics, there is a really massive historical thread started only a week ago on 15th Feb 07 but it has already attracted more than 660 replies: http://www.mycarforum.com/forum/Othe...re..._P1754510
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 12:28 PM   #17
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The block with roundish corridors stood on the "gap" between the 40 storey flats.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:54 PM   #18
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14 storeys Forfar House

Wow, it sure brings back memories -
the building with the rounded corridors was the highest SIT flat ever built,
and it was named Forfar House, and it faced Ballater Square, all names of town in Scotland with connections to the UK Royal family.

At 14 storeys, it was built without having any piling done, because its staggered shape was self supporting!

I grew up across the road at Stirling Road.

and was very sad to see it go a few years ago - apparently many residents did not want to be rehoused.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 10:21 AM   #19
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Sad to hear it had been demolished... Was one of the first old flats to go under SERS. The "shape"of the old building can still be seen as the gap between the 40 storey flats.
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Old March 3rd, 2007, 07:17 PM   #20
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Its great to see those pictures, I used to stay in one of the block in the picture . It at Mei Ling street at Queenstown. Fond memories when I was young there
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