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[SRG]

What unfinished dirt are you talkin bout, Willis?

And instead of just saying I should be banned because I'm ignorant and I use false information to back up my false claims, why don't you actually prove it. Can you even?

Look, you lost the Sonics. I'm sorry, now deal with it. And as per your signature, is there any way you can say that OKC should not/would not vote for the arena tax extension on Tuesday?

[Sounder]

Originally Posted by SRG

KeyArena was not even a great arena to begin with,

Ever go to a game there? It is a terrific venue for basketball. It's issues have to do with greed, not that it is a poor venue.

KeyArena was not "completely rebuilt" in 1995. It was repainted. The arena was built in 1962. 1962. Give me a break!

Another fib. You are a liar like Clayton Bennett. Key Arena is pretty much a brand new arena.

Yeah, talk about NBA greed and forcing cities to build new $500 million arenas left and right, but here you have a simple request for a decent place to play ball! KeyArena is an absolute dump.

QUIT LYING! I know your city looks petty for trying to steal our team from us but you do not have to lie and act like an --- like those prick owners who are trying to steal our team or make a big profit off the backs of the tax payers up here. Stick with the facts please.

And on ESPN..the suggestion of renaming the team the OKC Lying Loudmouth Oil Tycoons is quaint but the name is staying.

The team is staying in Seattle.

I hate to say it, but as great as the magnanomous Seattle corporations are, the OKC corporate community itself is going to have a heyday with this.

What other companies should the rest of America boycott for this digusting act?

Signed, sealed, delivered. OKC SuperSonics.

That's Seattle SuperSonics, and always will be. See you thieves in court.

[Sounder]

Originally Posted by SRG

On November 27, 2007 David Stern declared to the World that Seattle is the "worst lease in sports." Not just the NBA. In fact because of this lease at this horrible arena the SuperSonics are in debt. In fact the franchise is worth nowhere near the $500 million that Bennett paid for it out of pocket because of the arena, but the franchise suddenly becomes worth much, much more when the team is moved to another arena, perhaps even in another city.

Geezs, more lies.

Seattle has a serious problem of "blaming the player, not the game."

You have a problem with the truth. The game is messed up and should be stopped by congress. Stealing a successful franchise or getting even richer off the backs of the tax payers is wrong. What Bennett and company are doing are disgusting.

The City of Seattle was tired of the SuperSonics.

Another lie. Seattle didn't want to get extorted by a shiesty liar. What Bennet and company are doing is disgusting. OKC should do the right thing and vote no. You city's image isn't looking great right now.

Also you all can blame Clay Bennett as much as you like, the man bent over backwards and made every concession to earnestly work with the City of Seattle,

Another lie, he didn't try! That is why this situation is so messed up and why congress should step in.

there is NO argument that Clay Bennett didn't go through every motion and every due process at least in Seattle.

Wrong! Man, do some research please! Clay did his best to mess this up from the start. His only intentions were to move to steal the team or get a huge pile of money through a totally ridiculous arena deal. There was no real effort at trying to work with the folks up here, none. Proposing one solution that is totally crazy is not working with the folks here.

Bennett is a liar, a thief, and making your city and state look poorly. Anyone with the internet can seek the truth on this issue.

You all were not played in the sense that you were screwed by anyone but your own politicians and your own voters.

Nope. The people to blame are Howard Shultz and the Okies; that's it. Most of the blame goes to the Okies for trying to steal our team or extort us.

There's a whole lot of good people in the story of the OKC SuperSonics.

That's Seattle SuperSonics, pal. Go get your own team.

But OKC is putting the praise on civic leadership and local voters themselves who understand the positive difference that they can make, and all want to contribute to that by going to the polls on election day.

OKC, if it likes its image, should vote to not steal the Seattle SuperSonics.

And KeyArena is not a new facility. I don't care what you say. I find it shocking to believe that it was completely torn down and rebuilt in 1994

Then you probably believe the world is flat too. Quit lying to yourself.

Key Arena is a nice and new arena. Ever been there?

[Sounder]

Originally Posted by SRG

What unfinished dirt are you talkin bout, Willis?

And instead of just saying I should be banned because I'm ignorant and I use false information to back up my false claims, why don't you actually prove it. Can you even?

I can make a list of your lies. $500 million to buy the Sonics? Bennett tried to work with Seattle? Key Arena wasn't a new arena? I can go on if you want.

Look, you lost the Sonics.

No we haven't. See you thieves in court.

[Seattlelife]

Also you all can blame Clay Bennett as much as you like, the man bent over backwards and made every concession to earnestly work with the City of Seattle,

Wow.... You are as closed minded and naive as they come.

You really believe this? Really? Is that what the Oklahoman is spitting out to you guys down there? If you didn't know, Clay's wife owns the newspaper!!!

Funny how every person outside of OK can see the situation clearly.

[SRG]

Are you all supposed to be taken seriously?

[DaVilleisGr8]

As an unbiased observer, I find the positions by the Seattle folk much more credible. In particular, your comment about the KeyArena merely getting a new coat of paint threw your position out the window. Clay Bennett is a wiesel and a liar, as far as I'm concerned. And, while it's great and all that OKC will have an NBA team, in a market that size only a few lean years can produce a great deal of financial hardship for the franchise. Best of luck.

[Seattlelife]

Originally Posted by DaVilleisGr8

As an unbiased observer, I find the positions by the Seattle folk much more credible. In particular, your comment about the KeyArena merely getting a new coat of paint threw your position out the window. Clay Bennett is a wiesel and a liar, as far as I'm concerned. And, while it's great and all that OKC will have an NBA team, in a market that size only a few lean years can produce a great deal of financial hardship for the franchise. Best of luck.

Thank you

[shudaCUDAwuda]

Originally Posted by DaVilleisGr8

As an unbiased observer, I find the positions by the Seattle folk much more credible. In particular, your comment about the KeyArena merely getting a new coat of paint threw your position out the window. Clay Bennett is a wiesel and a liar, as far as I'm concerned. And, while it's great and all that OKC will have an NBA team, in a market that size only a few lean years can produce a great deal of financial hardship for the franchise. Best of luck.

As a first time poster and a non-Seattle resident, I agree with what you are saying. This SRG guy is obviously just a guy trying to gloat about the fact that his city "may" be getting the Sonics. His facts are waaaaaay off. I did a little research on Key Arena, and it looks to me like they did a really nice job 10 years ago of rebuilding the arena in the most cost effective manner. The only thing that remains from the old arena is the massive "60's style" concrete supports. Keeping those was how they were able to save 100's of millions of dollars. They dug deep into the ground, lowering the floor, and bringing the fans "very" close to the action. Everything in the arena seems to be very nice and very modern (modern for 10 years ago). The issue really doesn't appear to be the arena so much, as the arena "deal". Stern never said the arena was bad, but the lease was bad.
As far as the view of Clay Bennett? I don't think there is a question as to what the public across the country (aside from people from OKC and Seattle) think about him. The majority of people that are familiar with the story think of him as a villian of sorts. If ESPN did a poll, I bet over 80% of people would think he is dishonest and a total crook.

[citruspastels]

Originally Posted by SRG

The Philips Arena, Atlanta:


TD Banknorth Garden aka Fleet Center, Boston:


United Center, Chicago:


Quicken Loans Arena, Cleveland:


The Pepsi Center, Denver:


American Airlines Arena, Miami:


Staples Center, Los Angeles:


Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis:


Target Center, Minneapolis:


America West Arena, Phoenix:


Wachovia Center, Philadelphia:


Delta Center, Salt Lake City:


Air Canada Centre, Toronto:


Verizon Center, DC:


The Rose Garden, Portland:



OK and then here's one supposedly built in the 90s..

KeyArena, Seattle:


Can you tell the difference? Perhaps you can even tell a difference in an arena that was built in 1964 and then REALLY completely rebuilt in the 1990s..

Oracle Arena, Oakland:


Oracle Arena is cool! KeyArena, not so much. Just because you did supposedly renovate the arena in the 1990s doesn't mean you all did a great job of it. I'm sorry, but you all may have wasted your money. I would persecute whoever you all paid a lot of money to, not the team that's been suffering the consequences for so long.

Wow, those are alot of soulless boxes surrounded by parking lots. I can hardly think of better way to spend 500 million of my fellow taxpayer's money!! I mean honestly, seeing a game in the United Center was about the most underwhelming sports experience of my life, and I'm inlcuding high school, college, and semi-pro teams.

Key Arena is a part of the amazing dynamic that makes up the Seattle Center. It is the only pro-arena I've seen that resides in an area where you can walk across the same lawn and see basketball fans at their sports palace, music fans at their opera house, and families going to see a 3D movie at the IMAX. Families with kids, sophisticates, and b-ball fans come together in a park to enjoy entertainment that fits their taste but no matter what, can't help but feel a little Seattle pride.

Key Arena is fine. It is beautiful in its uniqueness and location in Seattle's urban fabric.

[Seattlelife]

I think SRG's problem is that he is finding flaws in Key Arena as his reason for supporting relocation. What he keeps ignoring is the fact that Key Arena is new as of 1995, the SONICS wanted Key Arena small in order to prevent a NHL team from coming to Seattle and competing for revenue, and the city of Seattle has already offered as much as 200 million dollars to go towards a Key Arena renovation.

There simply is no justification for this move if you know the facts accurately and look at them objectively.

Basketball fans LOVE Key Arena and its location. It really is one of the top places to watch NBA basketball. This doesn't mean residents are against a Key Arena renovation in order to bring Key Arena up to date. What residents are against is writing Bennett a 400 million dollar check for him to build a palace in the suburbs and receive all the revenue.

[ratbear]

Originally Posted by SRG

I am sorry but it's considered something of a "personal vendetta" when someone only has 90 posts and actually quite a few more than the 4 or 5 that you claim are all. You and a handful of other posters.

No famous "Riverwalk" going through OKC? First of all it's called the Bricktown Canal, and second of all, might I suggest pulling your head out--here's a link where you can just see the volume of newspapers OUTSIDE Oklahoma that have taken notice of the Canal.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...1&sa=N&start=0

And nothing special going on in Oklahoma? Naw...we're not getting an NBA team, we're not getting 3,000 new downtown residential units, we're not relocating an entire Interstate highway to a new alignment in downtown, we're not seeing one of the more prominent biotech booms, we're not fast becoming a convention stronghold, we're not leading the way in historic preservation for a change, we're not starting to once again attract corporate relocations.. none of that, because Cashville is the true expert on the state of things in this neck of the woods.

The entire first page of results from google news was from local media like San Antonio and Dallas...I am not sure you really made your point.

[Texastar2]

I like those pictures

[TU 'cane]

SRG is not stupid, he knows way more about Oklahoma and the economics of our state than anyone else I know. It's just the fact that you guys have the "he's from Oklahoma, he's trying to steal our team! Stupid Okie!" Mentality.

1. "Okie" was meant to be a racial term, please stop using it unless you know the history behind it, and you or your state was directly affected by it.

2. All of you are just being dicks to eachother because Seattle wants to keep their team of 41 years, and now OKC gets a shot at something and OKC is excited, that's just your views. And now Seattle will continue to look at OK as trash because you guys think you have some divine right, and you need to be knocked the F*ck off your high horses. You forget that normal American people live in this state, people call it home. It's not a dirt bowl with endless plains as everyone perceives.

3. Seattle, you sure as hell have a right to be mad, I would be if my team of 41 years was picking up and moving at the snap of a finger. But Clay is your typical businessman, he has always wanted a team in OKC and he's pursuing it. But don't blame it all on us "Okies", it's not our fault. And between ignorant people on both sides, radical pro-NBA enthusiasts in OK, and rude stereotyping Seattle... The bickering will never stop.

4. Seattle is a bigger, better city than OKC. Look at the numbers. But maybe one day, OKC will start to climb up the ladder and set itself on the same tier as Seattle. Very unlikely though, but OKC is growing, and making a name for itself in this region.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by citruspastels

Wow, those are alot of soulless boxes surrounded by parking lots. I can hardly think of better way to spend 500 million of my fellow taxpayer's money!! I mean honestly, seeing a game in the United Center was about the most underwhelming sports experience of my life, and I'm inlcuding high school, college, and semi-pro teams.

Key Arena is a part of the amazing dynamic that makes up the Seattle Center. It is the only pro-arena I've seen that resides in an area where you can walk across the same lawn and see basketball fans at their sports palace, music fans at their opera house, and families going to see a 3D movie at the IMAX. Families with kids, sophisticates, and b-ball fans come together in a park to enjoy entertainment that fits their taste but no matter what, can't help but feel a little Seattle pride.

Key Arena is fine. It is beautiful in its uniqueness and location in Seattle's urban fabric.

Most of those are urban arenas with underground parking or no parking at all.
Alot of them are quite beautiful actually. Now im not picking sides or nothing but that Seattle Arena is pretty fugly.

[TU 'cane]

I think Keyarena is unique, and was a one of a kind back in the 60s, 70s, and even 80s.. And then the mid 90s they completely renovated it.

I think it's starting to show its true out datedness though. But I think it still has quite a few more years on it.

[Puertalian]

Originally Posted by TU 'cane

SRG is not stupid, he knows way more about Oklahoma and the economics of our state than anyone else I know. It's just the fact that you guys have the "he's from Oklahoma, he's trying to steal our team! Stupid Okie!" Mentality.

1. "Okie" was meant to be a racial term, please stop using it unless you know the history behind it, and you or your state was directly affected by it.

2. All of you are just being dicks to eachother because Seattle wants to keep their team of 41 years, and now OKC gets a shot at something and OKC is excited, that's just your views. And now Seattle will continue to look at OK as trash because you guys think you have some divine right, and you need to be knocked the F*ck off your high horses. You forget that normal American people live in this state, people call it home. It's not a dirt bowl with endless plains as everyone perceives.

3. Seattle, you sure as hell have a right to be mad, I would be if my team of 41 years was picking up and moving at the snap of a finger. But Clay is your typical businessman, he has always wanted a team in OKC and he's pursuing it. But don't blame it all on us "Okies", it's not our fault. And between ignorant people on both sides, radical pro-NBA enthusiasts in OK, and rude stereotyping Seattle... The bickering will never stop.

4. Seattle is a bigger, better city than OKC. Look at the numbers. But maybe one day, OKC will start to climb up the ladder and set itself on the same tier as Seattle. Very unlikely though, but OKC is growing, and making a name for itself in this region.

Having family living in yukon, edmond and wellston oklahoma that i visit every summer, and talk to frequently on the phone and internet, i like to think that i know somthing about what is happening there as well as the common person's opinion. All of my family is strongly against moving the sonics to okc both on the basis that it raises taxes AND brings in a team they have connection with or desire for. oh, and srg, i was going to spare you the embarasing pictures of your defunct canal, but i guess you really want everyone to see them so here they are.




Heres your WORLD, FAMOUS, OKLAHOMA CITY... dirt

[TU 'cane]

So your familys opinion is what OKC should go by?

I was trying to be a little balanced on both sides, don't be a dick dude.

[Puertalian]

Originally Posted by SRG

I am sorry but it's considered something of a "personal vendetta" when someone only has 90 posts and actually quite a few more than the 4 or 5 that you claim are all. You and a handful of other posters.

No famous "Riverwalk" going through OKC? First of all it's called the Bricktown Canal, and second of all, might I suggest pulling your head out--here's a link where you can just see the volume of newspapers OUTSIDE Oklahoma that have taken notice of the Canal.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...1&sa=N&start=0

And nothing special going on in Oklahoma? Naw...we're not getting an NBA team, we're not getting 3,000 new downtown residential units, we're not relocating an entire Interstate highway to a new alignment in downtown, we're not seeing one of the more prominent biotech booms, we're not fast becoming a convention stronghold, we're not leading the way in historic preservation for a change, we're not starting to once again attract corporate relocations.. none of that, because Cashville is the true expert on the state of things in this neck of the woods.

hmmmm. 29000 of your supposed 30000 strong "biotech community" are reclassifed hospital workers. SOMEBODY is trying to pad some statistics...
http://americancity.org/article.php?id_article=216

[OKCity__SuperSonics]

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O yea and about those "dirt" pics... What would u want them to put there??? It doesnt look like anything would fit.