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Old January 2nd, 2013, 11:03 PM   #2281
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Original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. They rather have no or outdated data.
You can publish it yourself, and then reference it on wikipedia
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 08:15 AM   #2282
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Are you planing to publish your data somewhere or maybe update wikipedia? Something like this might be of interest to a wider audience than just us here.
Any additions to wikipedia would be appreciated. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China for how outdated and sparse info currently is. There lots which could be added even without sources or with simple web links i.e simple info about lenghts and route and year of openning/construction status.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #2283
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2t will also pass the European motorway network around January 2013 which currently stands at 91 500 kilometers.
EU has about 65,000 km motorway. Adding that of Russia and Turkey, I still can't reach the number 91,500 km for Europe. Am I missing something?
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Old January 6th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #2284
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EU has about 65,000 km motorway. Adding that of Russia and Turkey, I still can't reach the number 91,500 km for Europe. Am I missing something?
The 30'000 km of motorways in the Vatican perhaps.
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Old January 6th, 2013, 03:36 PM   #2285
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The 30'000 km of motorways in the Vatican perhaps.
30'000 km of motorways in the Vatican?like 1000-layer flyover?
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Old January 6th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #2286
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This is the European list as of 01-01-2013

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Old January 7th, 2013, 02:50 AM   #2287
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Russia must be more. Are you sure about 628 Km?
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Old January 7th, 2013, 03:09 AM   #2288
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Spain more than Germany? Wow.
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Old January 7th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #2289
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This is the European list as of 01-01-2013

Thanks

Your data is quite different from following report
http://www.aecarretera.com/cdc/ERF_E...eas%202010.pdf

Do you include some sub-standard roads into motorway?
For example, what are the differences between grade-separated dual carriageway and motorway in UK?

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Old January 7th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #2290
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I understand that he included all motorway and expressway standard roads. But is the UK number for such roads really that high?
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Old January 7th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #2291
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The reason for including motorway-like roads is that standards vary throughout the world. One country's motorway is another country's expressway and vice versa. Even within countries, some expressways have better design standards than some motorway status roads. Something like a motorway status does not even exist in some countries.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:48 AM   #2292
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The reason for including motorway-like roads is that standards vary throughout the world. One country's motorway is another country's expressway and vice versa. Even within countries, some expressways have better design standards than some motorway status roads. Something like a motorway status does not even exist in some countries.
That's a very good point.

One should also note that Chinese motorways are different from what a lot of people in the rest of the world are accustomed to.
Certainly they are completely grade separated (they pretty much have to be in China to make them high-speed routes of any kind) but they are almost entirely toll-ways. The only exceptions are those within the largest cities. As such , there are very few exits and entrances when compared to the the usual expectation.

Having said that , I'd like to know if you counted those intra-city motorways ? Just the G series or the myriad motorways within cities like Beijing or Guangzhou ? If you didn't , that must push the total number in China well above the total for Europe.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #2293
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I'd like to know if you counted those intra-city motorways ? Just the G series or the myriad motorways within cities like Beijing or Guangzhou ? If you didn't , that must push the total number in China well above the total for Europe.
There are basically three types of expressways in China;

* National Expressways; with the prefix "G".
* Provincial Expressways; with the prefix "S"
* Urban Expressways; usually without a number, but with a name, like Shanghai's Elevated Roads or Beijing Ring Roads.

I included all of them.
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There are basically three types of expressways in China;

* National Expressways; with the prefix "G".
* Provincial Expressways; with the prefix "S"
* Urban Expressways; usually without a number, but with a name, like Shanghai's Elevated Roads or Beijing Ring Roads.

I included all of them.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #2295
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The reason for including motorway-like roads is that standards vary throughout the world. One country's motorway is another country's expressway and vice versa. Even within countries, some expressways have better design standards than some motorway status roads. Something like a motorway status does not even exist in some countries.
I have heard that some expressways in Poland has only one lane in each way. Is it true? If it is true, I don't think that they should be counted as motorway.
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Old January 10th, 2013, 07:04 AM   #2296
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There are basically three types of expressways in China;

* National Expressways; with the prefix "G".
* Provincial Expressways; with the prefix "S"
* Urban Expressways; usually without a number, but with a name, like Shanghai's Elevated Roads or Beijing Ring Roads.

I included all of them.
You really need to put some of this on the wikipedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China
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Old January 11th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #2297
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How are the motels/eateries along the highways in China? I mean the places you stop to eat, refuel, relax a bit before pushing off? Do you get good facilities, food or does it vary a lot?
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Old January 11th, 2013, 07:01 PM   #2298
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Great thread a lot to learn from here.

Best regards from someone lost in China.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #2299
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You really need to put some of this on the wikipedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China
No, he only puts it on the Dutch road wiki
http://www.wegenwiki.nl/Lijst_van_expressways_in_China
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Old January 11th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #2300
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Lots of provincial numbers missing, I know a few. And G65W is missing, too.
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