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Old January 12th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #2301
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G3012 Turpan-Khotan Expressway (XUAR)

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Old January 12th, 2013, 03:57 AM   #2302
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Now those are interesting and exotic sights. I was always wondering how the expressways in Xinjiang look like.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 04:02 AM   #2303
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How old is this expressway?
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Old January 12th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #2304
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Relatively new between Korla and Kashghar. Last year it was openned
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Old January 12th, 2013, 10:12 AM   #2305
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This is the European list as of 01-01-2013

Great job! Do you have some statistics for all continents or only for Europe?
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Old January 12th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #2306
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How old is this expressway?
I can see where this question comes from.

Some expressways in Xinjiang have been created while incorporating the existing road into the expressway. Because Xinjiang is largely a flat plateau and roads are wide and straight with few if any towns for long distances, they decided to just build another carriageway next to it. Somewhat similar to the first generation of Spanish autovías.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #2307
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I can see where this question comes from.

Some expressways in Xinjiang have been created while incorporating the existing road into the expressway. Because Xinjiang is largely a flat plateau and roads are wide and straight with few if any towns for long distances, they decided to just build another carriageway next to it. Somewhat similar to the first generation of Spanish autovías.
Thats what I was thinking too judging from some construction images on Google earth. But what about alternative roads for those who can't use it or are not willing to pay tolls?
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Old January 12th, 2013, 04:04 PM   #2308
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Hi guys, can those who have travelled on China's highways say how good are the wayside facilities? I mean the gas stations, motels, eateries, restaurants, ambulance services in case of accidents, rescue services for vehicles which breakdown and so on? Does it vary a lot across provinces? Thanks.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 04:14 PM   #2309
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I wonder about that as well. I've never seen photos from rest areas.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 05:13 PM   #2310
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I wonder about that as well. I've never seen photos from rest areas.
I have a few but they don't show much. I'll post em later.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #2311
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In eastern China restareas are large, well facilitated and crowded. I have a couple of photos too but take time to dig out.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #2312
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In eastern China restareas are large, well facilitated and crowded. I have a couple of photos too but take time to dig out.
Please dig them out. It's one thing we haven't seen much of in here.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #2313
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Please dig them out. It's one thing we haven't seen much of in here.
Yeah its one thing I've been wondering. 20 years of highway building must have spawned a whole roadside industry of eateries, motels, gas stations, garages and ambulance services. I am especially interested in roadside places to eat. I guess such facilities are better on the busy roads. My
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Old January 13th, 2013, 01:50 PM   #2314
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It would also be interesting to learn about the AADT on the Chinese expresways.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #2315
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20998147

According to this article, levels of PM10/2.5 particles are as high as 400 µg/m³ in Beijing. This is 10 times the European limit. What is the cause of this? Beijing has a lot of traffic, construction, factories and power plants, but I assume the levels are not always this high. Is this a stagnant airmass against the mountains? That could include sources in the Tianjin area (20+ million people).
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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #2316
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According to this article, levels of PM10/2.5 particles are as high as 400 µg/m³ in Beijing. This is 10 times the European limit. What is the cause of this? Beijing has a lot of traffic, construction, factories and power plants, but I assume the levels are not always this high. Is this a stagnant airmass against the mountains? That could include sources in the Tianjin area (20+ million people).
In northern China most buildings in cities have central heating relying on hot water that comes from big power plants which mostly use coal. This produces the major part of PM I think. When the weather is less windy, PM pollution gets more serious. In spring or autumn there might be sand storm coming from Gobi desert, that's another horrible story about this city.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #2317
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Yeah its one thing I've been wondering. 20 years of highway building must have spawned a whole roadside industry of eateries, motels, gas stations, garages and ambulance services. I am especially interested in roadside places to eat. I guess such facilities are better on the busy roads. My
Usually you would expect more service places along chinese motorways than those in france--especially in eastern china. a motor way service usually at least supplies fuel, food (fast food and/or restaurant) and hot water(not like westerners chinese like drinking water hot). many have shops, some have motel and garage. I haven't seen (or I haven't noticed maybe) any ambulance or rescue service in the service stations. i think such service usually is provided by local towns/cities nearby.

In western china services are fewer but food and fuel wouldn't be an issue normally.

one thing sometimes is very annoying for diesel vehicle owners: china is suffering in diesel shortage (roughly each year the diesel consumption is more than twice of petrol in this nation), sometimes it gets very bad and you can see very very long queues outside gas stations.

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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:28 PM   #2318
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20998147

According to this article, levels of PM10/2.5 particles are as high as 400 µg/m³ in Beijing. This is 10 times the European limit. What is the cause of this? Beijing has a lot of traffic, construction, factories and power plants, but I assume the levels are not always this high. Is this a stagnant airmass against the mountains? That could include sources in the Tianjin area (20+ million people).
This was escalated numerous times. Concentration of PM2.5 particles varies from day to day (or even time of day) and from location to location. We only get to hear of it when it reaches extremely high levels. There is a website that publishes the readings in Beijing: http://www.bjmemc.com.cn/

Another website with some charts: http://www.aqicn.info/?city=Beijing/...%A6%86&lang=cn

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Old January 14th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #2319
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Usually you would expect more service places along chinese motorways than those in france--especially in eastern china. a motor way service usually at least supplies fuel, food (fast food and/or restaurant) and hot water(not like westerners chinese like drinking water hot). many have shops, some have motel and garage. I haven't seen (or I haven't noticed maybe) any ambulance or rescue service in the service stations. i think such service usually is provided by local towns/cities nearby.

In western china services are fewer but food and fuel wouldn't be an issue normally.

one thing sometimes is very annoying for diesel vehicle owners: china is suffering in diesel shortage (roughly each year the diesel consumption is more than twice of petrol in this nation), sometimes it gets very bad and you can see very very long queues outside gas stations.
A good sum-up. unfortunately I only found one picture of rest area I took in 2012 near Zhoushan, Zhejiang Province. The other rest areas in the east may be bigger but mostly in the same style.

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Old January 14th, 2013, 01:39 PM   #2320
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But this is an outside pic. It doesn't show anything inside, the hygiene, the quality of tables and chairs, allied facilities, shops or even food available or the cleanliness of toilets. Its only people standing. BTW, has the 'motel' concept popular in the US taken off along China's highways?
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