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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #2341
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No english or any minority language in the middle sign. akward...
I don't think English/Pinyin is a standart on Chinese expressways.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #2342
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Currently there is globally enough oil for 40 years. Given that average life time of a cars is around 10 years we can all think about how long would it take at current tempo to change into oil fuel independent cars... This puzzle doesn't have nice and simple solution. And thats only about the automobiles, don't forget all the other industries.
right Oil shortage is not a new issue and it's not having impact to automobile only. Concerns and argument exist in China as well around road expansion. I guess the justification is based on the fact that oil is an substitutable energy and the hope that in three decades technology will advance to enable cars less dependable on oil supply conveniently.

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it raises the pertinent question, how big a highway network does the PRC need? Should it focus henceforth more on railway expansion? Or rural roads?
Its hard to figure out how big a network is fairely enough for now and for the future. When I was diving around (mostly in Jiangsu, Zhejiang provinces near my home) I always cry for more highways because it's so crowded every day. If population is taken as main factor China may need 3 times of current highway length using US as a benchmark. But China's population is more centralized compared to US and will move more towards that directin in the future. By car sales China sold 19.3 mln vehicles in 2012 (US sold 14.5 mln) and there's no sign to stagnate, whic implies China will need more highways for at least a couple of years. So I GUESS China may need 150k~200k km expressway (more are required in the east and less in the west), IF oil denpendency could be eased.

Rural roads are being expanded as fast as highways. 2012 has seen an increase of 11k km expressways and 194k km of new/renovated rural roads.

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Good point. Honestly, it hadn't struck me. My point was three fold: one , will expansion of highways reduce agricultural land and hence at some point threaten food security, second, how does China ensure that those who cannot afford cars still get benefitted, third, China should ensure that the mistake USA did, to build everything around the automobile is not repeated.
yes farming land shortage has been an issue for years when cities/infras are expanding.

actually most people have got benefited by highway expansion, even for people who cannot afford cars. i.e. more long distance bus routes were opened, travel becames quicker, cheaper and more convenient since last decade.

Highways have its positive push on economy. Apart from the projects spendings the highway network nourishes tourism, auto manufacturing and services, i.e. Car rental business is booming now in China. I'm renting cars for travel most of the time.

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The exit is quite different to exits elsewhere in that it only has a very short time period for leaving the motorway. I am not sure how convenient this is in practice, I guess it's OK with good signage, and the signage does appear to be good in the picture. However, I normally prefer when the exit lane separates earlier.
I kept missing exits for short signate notice. The signage does need to improved when compared to developed countries, i.e. problems of less sign boards, poor language support etc. I guess cost is an issue and management level is still lagged behind.

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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:43 PM   #2343
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No english or any minority language in the middle sign. akward...
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I don't think English/Pinyin is a standart on Chinese expressways.
They ran out of space on the sign .
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Old January 16th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #2344
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But this is an outside pic. It doesn't show anything inside, the hygiene, the quality of tables and chairs, allied facilities, shops or even food available or the cleanliness of toilets. Its only people standing. BTW, has the 'motel' concept popular in the US taken off along China's highways?
There aren't that many pictures, I guess because few people have a interest in seeing them. I dug up some from the web and they show the inside of various rest areas across the country. Having experienced quite bit of them I'd say they represent the average condition of rest areas you will encounter along a G (national) expressway, with the ones in Yunnan better than average. The restrooms are generally clean, but the toilets are mostly squat down ones, and very few of them have liquid soap or paper towel so you better bring your own.

Regarding motels (or express hotels in Chinese terminology) it has really become popular in the last five years. The difference between the Chinese model and the American one is that Chinese motels are normally located inside towns along the freeway, not close to rest areas or close to exits. They serve as both motels for passing motorists as well as budget travelers visiting the city. Large chains including Motel 168, Jinjiang Inn, Hanting Hotel, Home Inn, 7 Days Inn, and Super 8 Hotel.

Suining, Sichuan



Ziyang, Sichuan



Tonglu, Zhejiang



Guantang, Anhui




Wenji, Anhui



Liaocheng, Shandong


Pingjiang, Hunan





Chuxiong, Yunnan



Yuejin, Yunnan





Dushupu, Yunnan


Niluojiang, Yunnan




Yanhe, Yunnan



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Old January 17th, 2013, 04:11 AM   #2345
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Tonglu, Zhejiang

I think I have been stopping at this one in Zhejiang.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #2346
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12.27 Opening of Qinhuangdao section of Chengde-Qinhuangdao expressway 承秦高速秦皇島段, Hebei Province
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:09 AM   #2347
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1.5 Opening of Linglu section of Sanmenxia-Xichuan expressway 三淅高速灵卢段, Henan Province
80.881km, 6.451 bln yuan



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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #2348
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Can you post the numbers (G-?? / S-??) too? Thanks
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #2349
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There aren't that many pictures, I guess because few people have a interest in seeing them. I dug up some from the web and they show the inside of various rest areas across the country. Having experienced quite bit of them I'd say they represent the average condition of rest areas you will encounter along a G (national) expressway, with the ones in Yunnan better than average. The restrooms are generally clean, but the toilets are mostly squat down ones, and very few of them have liquid soap or paper towel so you better bring your own.

Regarding motels (or express hotels in Chinese terminology) it has really become popular in the last five years. The difference between the Chinese model and the American one is that Chinese motels are normally located inside towns along the freeway, not close to rest areas or close to exits. They serve as both motels for passing motorists as well as budget travelers visiting the city. Large chains including Motel 168, Jinjiang Inn, Hanting Hotel, Home Inn, 7 Days Inn, and Super 8 Hotel.
Nice copilation thanks for sharing.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 09:34 AM   #2350
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2012 has once again been a very active year in Chinese expressway construction. About 11 000 kilometers of new expressway was opened.

According to my data, China currently has 91 157 kilometers of expressways.

Note that I have filtered my data for concurrencies, something I feel the official statistics have not, which mean some routes are counted twice if two (or even three) numbers run across the same expressway. I also excluded Taiwan for practical reasons.

The largest network is in Henan province, with 5 696 kilometers of expressway. Hebei is second with 4 929 kilometers and Guangdong is third with 4 700 kilometers of expressway.

Most expressway construction in 2012 has been in inland China. In fact, Shanghai, Beijing and Tianjin opened no new expressways. Chongqing opened only a few. Most expressway construction has been in provinces like Hunan, Henan, Jiangxi, Liaoning, Shanxi, Sichuan and Xinjiang.

Most national expressways, indicated with a 1, 2 or 4-digit G-number, have been completed, except in south central and southwestern China. G30, the Kazakhstan to Chinese Sea Expressway, has also been completed this year, enabling the first border-to-border expressway. The focus is now increasingly going to provincial expressway construction. Most provincial expressways are between 50 and 200 kilometers long, occasionally longer.

China has currently the second-largest expressway network in the world, just shy of the American 97 042 kilometer freeway network, however the United States opened only 400 kilometers of new freeway this year, and China will pass the United States in 2013. It will also pass the European motorway network around January 2013 which currently stands at 91 500 kilometers. The Asian continental expressway system became the largest in the world in 2010, largely thanks to the Chinese expressway construction effort.

Thanks a lot for the research. It seems that China exceeded it's planned 87,600 km as seen from earlier big-dog's post:

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There's no specific info for that but by 2011-2015 China Transportation Planning, the expressway length for 2015 is targeted at 108,000km. So by average, the construction projection would be like this,

YEAR LENGTH
2010 74,000km (current length)
2011 80,800km
2012 87,600km
2013 94,400km
2014 101,200km
2015 108,000km

Hope it can keep this speed
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Old January 19th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #2351
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China sets highway toll-free dates during Chinese New Year

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BEIJING - Chinese drivers rushing home for family reunions during the upcoming Spring Festival will find it a pleasant journey this year as the country's highways will operate toll-free during the holiday.

The Ministry of Transport announced on Friday that the country's highways will be toll-free for passenger cars from 0:00 on February 9 to 24:00 on February 15 when most Chinese will go home for the Spring Festival and return to work.

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Old January 22nd, 2013, 10:36 AM   #2352
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City highways of Shanghai

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Old January 22nd, 2013, 10:42 AM   #2353
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:58 AM   #2354
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My God... I can't believe how fast they are building impressive highways! Some of the pics are just incredible. It makes me wish the US would reinvest in it's infrastructure but we all know that will never happen.

Wow.... just wow!

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Thanks a lot for the research. It seems that China exceeded it's planned 87,600 km as seen from earlier big-dog's post:
So as of now the US inter state highway system is bigger or China Highway System?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:13 AM   #2356
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My God... I can't believe how fast they are building impressive highways! Some of the pics are just incredible. It makes me wish the US would reinvest in it's infrastructure but we all know that will never happen.

Wow.... just wow!

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I guess India and the USA need to invite China to invest. USA at least I can't say for sure, but seeing these roads, India should definitely take a leaf or 1000 leaves out of China's book. I am curious: who builds expressways in china, how are they financed? Through government or tolls or what? Also, in 1988 china started building, so at that time, who provided the expertise in technology to build these roads? I guess at that time China would not have had too many big road companies, so who provided the know how as to build good roads?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:03 PM   #2357
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So as of now the US inter state highway system is bigger or China Highway System?
No, US System is still bigger. Probably not for long though.
See this post.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 01:20 PM   #2358
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No, US System is still bigger. Probably not for long though.
See this post.
I think he was only referring to the interstate system. In that case China's system is already far bigger and been so for at least a year. However total US expressway network still seems to be marginally larger than that of China.
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I think he was only referring to the interstate system. In that case China's system is already far bigger and been so for at least a year. However total US expressway network still seems to be marginally larger than that of China.
How have these highways been financed? Who builds them? Through tolls, bonds or government spending? Also, since China in 1988 would I guess not have had many big road development companies, who provided the expertise and know how as to build these roads? Was it foreign companies?
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How have these highways been financed?
People give lots of reasons, but the fundamental one is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...hange_reserves
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