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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:23 AM   #2361
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Hi everyone, my first post here. I've been here for a while as a lurker and thank everyone for your informative posts. I really learned a lot.

There's one thing I think many posters here seem confusing very often (at least through my limited observation), i.e., the difference between Guodao(national trunk highway) and Gaosugonglu(Expressway). They're concepts belong to two very different aspects. The term Guodao describes the position or importance of this very highway in the national highway network. Similar terms include Shengdao(provincial) ,Xiandao(county level) and Xiangdao(township level). While the term Gaosugonglu describes the technical standard(building/running) of the highway, together with terms like grade1 highway, grade2 highway, grade3 highway, etc.

So basically, Guodao doesn't have to be Expressway, it can also be grade1 or grade2 highway. In some remote areas, it can even be a grade3 or 4 highway. And Gaosugonglu isn't always Guodao, it can be Shengdao, Xiandao, even Xiangdao(possible but not likely).

Hope these helps to clarify some misunderstandings. By the way, I'm Chinese and from mainland China, glad to see so many discussions about my country's development, thanks!
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #2362
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Are delineators in German design standard in China?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #2363
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No, US System is still bigger. Probably not for long though.
See this post.
By what time this year will expressway network of China overtake USA? Are there any specific expressways that will see the PRC network overtake USA?
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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:09 PM   #2364
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Truck loaded with fireworks exploded and took a motorway viaduct down in Che-nan.

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Old February 1st, 2013, 10:12 PM   #2365
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It looks like there was a traffic jam when the bridge collapsed. Far too many vehicles crashed down to have been free-flow traffic.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:30 AM   #2366
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:51 AM   #2367
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What's the purpose of just-in-build viaduct at far right side of this accident picture? Is this unfinished viaduct an attempt of widening this expressway?
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:52 AM   #2368
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The accident happened on G30 Lianhuo Expressway near Sanmenxia in Henan. Google Earth shows a railway under construction next to it. It may have happened here
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:07 PM   #2369
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Thanks. That makes sense.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:34 PM   #2370
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Truck loaded with fireworks exploded and took a motorway viaduct down in Henan.
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The accident happened on G30 Lianhuo Expressway near Sanmenxia in Henan. Google Earth shows a railway under construction next to it. It may have happened here
The photo is from 2007 and the railway (Presumably Zhengzhou-Xi'an HSR) has been completed for some years now.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 01:19 PM   #2371
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The accident happened on G30 Lianhuo Expressway near Sanmenxia in Henan. Google Earth shows a railway under construction next to it. It may have happened here
Bare pillars on that photo are not for high speed railway. HSRs in China have different and more massive pillars (until now I found three major types).
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 02:17 PM   #2372
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The photo is from 2007 and the railway (Presumably Zhengzhou-Xi'an HSR) has been completed for some years now.
Which foto? That one I posted? Did that accident happen in 2007?

I don't get what did you FTFM... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/wo...hina.html?_r=0
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 02:24 PM   #2373
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nytimes calls it the Yichang Bridge, but that is quite a different bridge in Hubei. However names get duplicated a lot in China.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 03:00 PM   #2374
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Now I got it.

Che-nan is a Czech exonym equvalent with Henan as English exonym and 河南 in Chinese.

In Pinyin it would then be Hénán.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 03:11 PM   #2375
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It looks like that weight control and danger goods control is still something that China authorities needs to adopt.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 03:22 PM   #2376
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Which foto? That one I posted? Did that accident happen in 2007?
The photo in Google Earth, on the area Chris pointed out.

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nytimes calls it the Yichang Bridge, but that is quite a different bridge in Hubei. However names get duplicated a lot in China.
But not in hanzi. That is due the tone modifiers not rendered in English. I once confused two cities both named Taizhou, but one is 台州 in Zhejiang and the other is 泰州 in Jiangsu.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 11:42 AM   #2377
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Hi everyone, my first post here. I've been here for a while as a lurker and thank everyone for your informative posts. I really learned a lot.

There's one thing I think many posters here seem confusing very often (at least through my limited observation), i.e., the difference between Guodao(national trunk highway) and Gaosugonglu(Expressway). They're concepts belong to two very different aspects. The term Guodao describes the position or importance of this very highway in the national highway network. Similar terms include Shengdao(provincial) ,Xiandao(county level) and Xiangdao(township level). While the term Gaosugonglu describes the technical standard(building/running) of the highway, together with terms like grade1 highway, grade2 highway, grade3 highway, etc.

So basically, Guodao doesn't have to be Expressway, it can also be grade1 or grade2 highway. In some remote areas, it can even be a grade3 or 4 highway. And Gaosugonglu isn't always Guodao, it can be Shengdao, Xiandao, even Xiangdao(possible but not likely).

Hope these helps to clarify some misunderstandings. By the way, I'm Chinese and from mainland China, glad to see so many discussions about my country's development, thanks!
gaosugonglu is real express way,fensed all the way,no cross. guodao is just ordinary road, but very important to the nation,normally very long.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 08:12 PM   #2378
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nytimes calls it the Yichang Bridge, but that is quite a different bridge in Hubei. However names get duplicated a lot in China.
It's not a duplication. The character "Yi" in these two "yi chang" are different: 宜 for the one in Hubei; 义 for that in Henan. The pronunciation is also slightly different but most foreign chinese speakers can't tell the difference.

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 08:57 PM   #2379
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It looks like there was a traffic jam when the bridge collapsed. Far too many vehicles crashed down to have been free-flow traffic.
One of the vehicle crashed down was a car carrier truck.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:28 AM   #2380
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If you look at the photos published here

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...?frame=2468592

and google earth you can see that parts of G30 in Shaanxi
and Henan are being widened at the moment to 8 lanes.

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