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Old November 20th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #2501
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Gansu Expressways

360 kilometer of new expressway opens to traffic today in Gansu province.

These are;

* G22 Qinglan Expressway from Shaanxi border to Qingyang (128 km)
* G2012 Duwei Expressway from Ningxia border to Wuwei (158 km)
* S? from Wuwei to Jinchang (74 km)
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Old November 20th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #2502
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I like how G22 enters Gansu twice, cutting through Ningxia in between. There are a few cases all over China, like G18, G25 and G45 in Hebei (As they cross Tianjin the first two and Beijing the later).

By the way, the G2012 is the Dingwu expressway. Despite being called Dingwu, "ding" being Dingbian in Shaanxi, it actually starts in Ningxia right at the Shaanxi border. Finally the Wuwei-Jinchang expressway may hold a S designation now, but it is slated to become G3017 in the near future.

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A large 265 kilometer segment of expressway opened to traffic in China. It's located in Inner Mongolia and stretches from Xinghe (possibly from the Hebei border) to Junggar. Only the eastern two-thirds are visible on Google Earth, and Junggar region has 2013 imagery, so it is possible it does not yet extend all the way to Junggar / S31 yet.
Ah, I was wondering what expressway was the one that crosses the Middle of Nowhere expressway (G7 Jingxin) West of Xinghe, which is also U/C and may open soon, too.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 03:15 PM   #2503
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S24 Xingba Expressway

I've read that expressway is specifically designed to move 100 tonne trucks. The area is coal-rich and coal is transported by truck to power plants closer to Beijing. The new G7 may also be designed for such heavy load trucks.

The normal weight limit on most expressways seems to be 50 tonnes.
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Old November 24th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #2504
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I've read that expressway is specifically designed to move 100 tonne trucks. The area is coal-rich and coal is transported by truck to power plants closer to Beijing. The new G7 may also be designed for such heavy load trucks.

The normal weight limit on most expressways seems to be 50 tonnes.
20 years ago one of my relatives was a truck driver. He said the normal practice was to load goods 4 times of nominal loading capacity of the truck. Otherwise the truck drivers wouldn't be able to earn any money.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #2505
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What is the weight limit for regular trucks in China?

The guy that destroyed a bridge in Beijing in 2011 had to pay the a fine equivalent to the cost of repairing the bridge. His truck weighed 160 tonnes.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 07:14 AM   #2506
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What is the weight limit for regular trucks in China?

The guy that destroyed a bridge in Beijing in 2011 had to pay the a fine equivalent to the cost of repairing the bridge. His truck weighed 160 tonnes.

Little point in limits if people aren't going to respect them.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #2507
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Guozigou expressway in Xinjiang,Northwest of China

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Old November 27th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #2508
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What is the weight limit for regular trucks in China?

The guy that destroyed a bridge in Beijing in 2011 had to pay the a fine equivalent to the cost of repairing the bridge. His truck weighed 160 tonnes.
nobody cares, people just try to load as much their truck hold.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #2509
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We don't have such trucks in Europe for exactly this reason. Sand trucks are much smaller (while keeping 5 axles) to prevent overloading like this.

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Old November 27th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #2510
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Old November 27th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #2511
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Those are oversized in terms of dimensions, but not in terms of load. You can easily load 20 cars on a truck without exceeding 40 - 45 tons total weight.
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But the attitude is the same, just fill the truck with anything and fill it up to the rim!
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Old November 27th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #2514
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I suppose part of the problem is insufficient enforcement and lack of sanctions from the police? Are there no police patrols which would stop suspicious trucks?
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Old November 27th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #2515
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I suppose part of the problem is insufficient enforcement and lack of sanctions from the police? Are there no police patrols which would stop suspicious trucks?
I suspect the problem is so widespread that even with a police crackdown it wouldn't really decrease the problem that much. I mean the police can't be anywhere all the time.

When it comes to the operation of motor vehicles in China common sense just doesn't seem to apply a lot of the time. The unwritten rule is if you can get away with something keep doing it until something stops you.
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Old November 27th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #2516
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I suspect the problem is so widespread that even with a police crackdown it wouldn't really decrease the problem that much. I mean the police can't be anywhere all the time.

When it comes to the operation of motor vehicles in China common sense just doesn't seem to apply a lot of the time. The unwritten rule is if you can get away with something keep doing it until something stops you.
It would be hard to believe that there isn't enough police. You don't need to literally stop all the suspicious trucks. Just a small portion of them. What must be done, however, is sanctions. A hefty fine. A prison sentence if needed. There are many options these days with nowadays technology (cameras, truck weighting stations, tracking systems etc.). The only two reasons I could think of are the following:

- Police doesn't get adequate financing and/or patrol cars with qualified officers;

- the government (local governments perhaps?) are worried that if they start strictly implementing the regulations many small and medium businesses may go bust due to increased costs for more trucks and other associated safety measures? It may be harder to keep all those people occupied but China certainly has means to fix that.

it may well be both.



In either case this seems like a problem which can and should be sorted out asap because at this level of development where China is today this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening or excused in any way.

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Old November 28th, 2013, 08:12 AM   #2517
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Law enforcement is definitely a problem in China. I was thinking the same, that in US you can see many corps on road and you feel risk of being caught any time you drive too fast. But in China you can rarely see any corps on expressways. I believe it's a funding issue.
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It would be hard to believe that there isn't enough police. You don't need to literally stop all the suspicious trucks. Just a small portion of them. What must be done, however, is sanctions. A hefty fine. A prison sentence if needed. There are many options these days with nowadays technology (cameras, truck weighting stations, tracking systems etc.). The only two reasons I could think of are the following:

- Police doesn't get adequate financing and/or patrol cars with qualified officers;

- the government (local governments perhaps?) are worried that if they start strictly implementing the regulations many small and medium businesses may go bust due to increased costs for more trucks and other associated safety measures? It may be harder to keep all those people occupied but China certainly has means to fix that.

it may well be both.



In either case this seems like a problem which can and should be sorted out asap because at this level of development where China is today this kind of stuff shouldn't be happening or excused in any way.

The police in China are mainly concentrated around urban areas because that's where large scale civil unrest is most likely to break out and they are called Public Security for a good reason. The demand of police resources always excceeds the supply of them. As such policing the roads and expressways is given a lower priority.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #2519
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Furthermore the size of China's expressways and other highways would make it difficult to maintain a presence everywhere at once so they are often in the role of first responder I mean there are more accidents that there are police and in rural areas they are spread out.

The real problem here is not lack of enforcement but the lack of a safety culture not just on roads but on building construction sites. mines and factories etc. There needs to be a concerted attempt at educating people via road safety campaigns and extending that into other areas.
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Old November 28th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #2520
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The average Chinese doesn't often think of the consequences of his actions the relationship between cause and effect. They tend to be reactive rather than proactive in other words they wait until an issue arises then deal with it in the context of road safety that could be fatal.

How often have you gotten into cabs and been told by the driver NOT to put on your safety belt even as a precaution because nothing will ever happen so precautions aren't neccessary. Or when you ask moto drivers why they aren't wearing helmets when riding and be greeted with a confused look and a " Why would anybody wear a helmet when riding on a public street?"

There is an ignorance of the importance of road safety hence a disregard for their own and the safety of others in public places. They could start with an education campaign backed up with severe punishments for the worst offenders.

" Kill the rooster to frighten the monkey"

But enforcement can never be 100% effective.

As for your last point about the effect on small business a lot of business are black market operations , unless the government has a direct stake in them why would they care ? Not all but enough in fact because some of them are operating outside the law to begin with how can you possible expect them to care about traffic regulations. The black market here employs enormous amounts of people.
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