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Old December 31st, 2013, 06:12 PM   #2561
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The same is true for metros and railways in last 10 days
Is there a list of those openings somewhere on SSC as well?
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Old December 31st, 2013, 06:36 PM   #2562
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For construction or for the total coverage? Or did you mean quality? Western part of EU is already densely covered with motorways and in some countries been that way for decades. There are some serious gaps in the East hence Poland has more motorways under construction than any other country in EU at the moment.
I meant quality, I feel it is superb, great road quality and amenities, only small problem I see is that 2x2 motorways can have a rather narrow profile.

Coverage is getting there, and exceeds EU/US levels in some places. Most of the openings were in less developed provinces this year so the whole country is getting a dense motorway network.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 06:38 PM   #2563
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Yes, most openings were indeed in the interior south and central parts of China, especially Fujian, Guangxi, Hunan and Sichuan.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 07:07 PM   #2564
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I have never seen such a high volume of new expressways open in basically 10 days.
Total: 2278 km
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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:37 AM   #2565
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If China motorway standards will be near EU standards,
No, Chinese motorways are not built to western standards...

I believe they are mostly built to Japanese specifications which means the lanes and shoulders are quite narrow.



Here is a picture of the M6 toll in the UK... note the wide inner and outer shoulders/median and wider lanes.

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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:41 AM   #2566
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There is no such thing as "western standards". Italy, Switzerland and Sweden build motorways that have little or no shoulder at all. Standards vary by country. One man's full-standard motorway is another man's substandard motorway.

Most Chinese expressways with 2x2 lanes are 24.5 - 26.0 meters wide.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:43 AM   #2567
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yes I probably worded that wrong.

The UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand tend to follow similar standards (signage notwithstanding) and these are the countries i'm typically referring to.

Mainland Europe is a bit mix n match.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 02:52 AM   #2568
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No, Chinese motorways are not built to western standards...

I believe they are mostly built to Japanese specifications which means the lanes and shoulders are quite narrow.
What is the standard for lane width in China and other countires (UK, Germany, US, Poland)? I always thought they are pretty much in the area of 3.5 to 3.75m in all cases. Are you saying lanes are narrower than 3.5m in China?

And why post a picture of the M6 toll? This is a short stretch of a great road which is by no means a standard in the UK.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 03:16 AM   #2569
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What is the standard for lane width in China and other countires (UK, Germany, US, Poland)? I always thought they are pretty much in the area of 3.5 to 3.75m in all cases. Are you saying lanes are narrower than 3.5m in China?

And why post a picture of the M6 toll? This is a short stretch of a great road which is by no means a standard in the UK.
I can't find much information on lane width's... i'm simply going off my admittedly uneducated mk1 eyeball.

Japanese expressway's are built in some areas to 3.25m whereas the USA for example uses a minimum of 3.66m

It may be the shallow median, or the narrow shoulder which gives an overall claustrophobic impression.
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The Netherlands also uses a lane width of 3.20 meters in urban areas and 3.5 m in other areas. From what I've seen 3.75 m is a fairly common lane width in Europe, but as stated before, it varies from country to country. There are no pan-European design standards such as the Vienna convention on traffic signs.
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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:47 AM   #2571
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Total: 2278 km
I count about 4000km opened in December
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Old January 1st, 2014, 10:53 AM   #2572
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Is there a list of those openings somewhere on SSC as well?
Here the links,

Metro openings
Railway openings
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Old January 1st, 2014, 03:19 PM   #2573
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2013 openings

I logged 103 individual expressway openings in 2013, with a combined length of 8018 kilometers. The average new expressway opening was 78 km long. The largest single opening was the Xingba Expressway (S24) in Inner Mongolia, where 265 kilometers opened at one time at 21/11/2013.

This would put the Chinese expressway length at 31/12/2013 at 99,175 kilometers (corrected for concurrencies). Considering some openings have not been recorded, there is likely now more than 100,000 kilometers of expressway in China.

In 2013, China overtook the United States in expressway length. The 31/12/2013 freeway length in the United States was 97,384 km (preliminary figure, but unlikely to change substantially).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:36 PM   #2574
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The first 41 kilometer segment of the G4216 Lipan Chengli Expressway opened to traffic in Yunnan and Sichuan provinces. It runs from Huaping to G5 at Panzhihua. It will eventually connect Lijiang and Panzhihua Chengdu.
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I don't see how this would connect to Chengdu. It starts more than 500 kilometers south of Chengdu, unless they plan to build it next to G5 (which was only recently finished in this area).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:09 PM   #2576
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There is no such thing as "western standards". Italy, Switzerland and Sweden build motorways that have little or no shoulder at all. Standards vary by country. One man's full-standard motorway is another man's substandard motorway.

Most Chinese expressways with 2x2 lanes are 24.5 - 26.0 meters wide.
Not much different from Europe. In Italy, for example, the minimum width for a new autostrada is 25m.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:50 PM   #2577
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I don't see how this would connect to Chengdu. It starts more than 500 kilometers south of Chengdu, unless they plan to build it next to G5 (which was only recently finished in this area).
Apparently the G4216 will follow the Yangtze river and then the G213 highway. The last few kilometers into Chengdu will be concurrent with the G4215 Chengzun expressway.
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Old January 5th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #2578
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Congratulations China!!!...
We opened 80km now in December in RO, they opened above 900!
If China motorway standards will be near EU standards, i think that this 900km will be reduced at 200-300km...or maybe i'm wrong?
Hope that i'm not offtopic...if yes, sorry!
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No, Chinese motorways are not built to western standards...

I believe they are mostly built to Japanese specifications which means the lanes and shoulders are quite narrow.
I think that dorum wasn't referring to the lanes width standard, but was thinking more at "construction standards", such as engineering stress calculations, concrete&asphalt receipts, embankment works compaction and other such things. "Quality" was the main thing in his mind.

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Speaking about the other standard, with the road width, in my country (Romania), motorway lanes are 3.75 m wide with a hard shoulder of 2.50 m wide (3.50 + 2.00 m for motorways in the mountains).
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Old January 6th, 2014, 07:23 PM   #2579
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Not much different from Europe. In Italy, for example, the minimum width for a new autostrada is 25m.
Italy isn't Europe. A rural 4-lane motorway in Europe is in fact at least 29,0 metres wide.
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yes I probably worded that wrong.

The UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand tend to follow similar standards (signage notwithstanding) and these are the countries i'm typically referring to.

Mainland Europe is a bit mix n match.
There is no such thing as western standards. Any highway in any country is built according to the restraint of the local environment.
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