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Old October 4th, 2015, 04:58 PM   #3041
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But what about Beijing's traffic hell? All the time they open mountain-motorways.
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Old October 5th, 2015, 10:04 AM   #3042
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2015-03-13 drive-lapse from Puer to Yuxi

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Old October 5th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #3043
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Did I see correctly, that some tunnels (like in 4:15) are not lighted but still decently bright?

Road markings at least in the beginning are almost non-existent. China in the east is really not visible here much.

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Old October 6th, 2015, 07:32 AM   #3044
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But what about Beijing's traffic hell? All the time they open mountain-motorways.
Around Beijing, motorway projects would be much more costly, even-though it's on flat land. too much land acquisition. And more motorways wouldn't solve too much problem, imo, they need to expand and make much more efficient the commuter rail network, similar to S-bahn, and also the metro network around the city, and develop a decent local bus service all around communities connecting to train stations and other transport hubs.
They'd probably need some sort of congestion charging too, probably inside the 3rd ring?
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Old October 6th, 2015, 10:58 AM   #3045
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Anyways, it seems like China is definetely overheating like Spain in 2000-2008...

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Did I see correctly, that some tunnels (like in 4:15) are not lighted but still decently bright?
I guess tunnels structures can be covered with luminous materials.
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Old October 6th, 2015, 02:43 PM   #3046
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Chinese expressway debt ballooned in recent years. They built a lot of expressways in low traffic areas. It appears they want to serve all cities equally, instead of looking at traffic potential. Losses tripled from 2013 to 2014 to € 22.7 billion.

Overall toll revenue is € 56.7 billion (2014), which is more than the economy of some smaller developed countries.

It is estimated that 70% of the world's toll road mileage is in China.
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Old October 6th, 2015, 10:26 PM   #3047
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Old October 7th, 2015, 07:24 PM   #3048
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Wow....That's worse than all the world's busiest checkpoint....
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Old October 7th, 2015, 09:35 PM   #3049
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Ouch. That looks bad. Wonder how long did it take to actually get somewhere in that kind of traffic? I'd probably just stay home.
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Old October 8th, 2015, 12:14 PM   #3050
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50 lanes?!?!?! I'm astonished. I think that toll road should considered to be made free.

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Chinese expressway debt ballooned in recent years. They built a lot of expressways in low traffic areas. It appears they want to serve all cities equally, instead of looking at traffic potential. Losses tripled from 2013 to 2014 to € 22.7 billion.

Overall toll revenue is € 56.7 billion (2014), which is more than the economy of some smaller developed countries.

It is estimated that 70% of the world's toll road mileage is in China.
Exactly. Shanghai and all other major cities at least are served, but Beijing is a traffic hell. Doesn't the City Council or something have this problem on it's agenda? Beijing could have "light expressways" or "fifties expressways" like Seoul, in my opinion the best solution for expressways in cities, the lowest possible cost, they can be built on existing streets, they are compact and traffic flows freely if they lower the speed limit. I don't think it's so an expensive thing to do. Guys in the Politburo just want everyone make the most gorgeous motorway in Inner Mongolia, Lhasa, etc...

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Old October 8th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #3051
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Beijing needs a serious upgrade to its public transit system. By that I mean commuter/express rail system separate from the metro. Possibly some elevated roads too like Shanghai and Guangzhou.
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Old October 9th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #3052
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Beijing needs a serious upgrade to its public transit system. By that I mean commuter/express rail system separate from the metro. Possibly some elevated roads too like Shanghai and Guangzhou.
no use. most people work in city center. in the morning, millions of cars rush to city center. in the evening,millions of cars leave city center.
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That's exactly what justifies good commuter transit system. People driving to train stations, parking there, and taking train to city centre, where they can either just walk, or take metro for 5-6 stations, maybe. Also, Beijing Municipality can develop what's been done in Montreal and Toronto. They can have buildings in the CBD connected to each other underground, with shops, coffee shops, and all sorts of stuff, and A/Ced during summer, heat up during winter, so people could walk all year round from rail stations and different buildings.
Check out RESO in Montreal and PATH in Toronto.
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Widening of G4 near Baoding. They simply shut down the entire expressway and rebuild it from scratch.

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Old October 11th, 2015, 03:29 PM   #3056
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no use. most people work in city center. in the morning, millions of cars rush to city center. in the evening,millions of cars leave city center.
What NFZANMNIM said.

Take other cities as an example. London's road network is miserable. No much better than Mogadishu. Completely undrivable during the rush hours. Yet millions of people do get to work somehow every morning. And that's because of well developed commuter rail network (besides the underground which is a separate network). It's an old system and far from being perfect but it gets people from A to B. Beijing meanwhile struggles to do that or at least do that in a reasonable amount of time. Which is why fundamental adjustments are necessary. First a high capacity heavy rail system. Whether you call it commuter rail, express rail or even the old good metro doesn't matter. It has to be high capacity, frequent and able to cross the city in a relatively short amount of time. Take Paris RER for example. London's U/C Crossrail, Munich's S-Bahn, Tokyo's system (whatever they call it?). They all work. Beijing doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. Just use the proven methods.

After this is done the next step will have to be severe limitations on cars on the road at any one time. While this may be complicated Singapore may come to help. It's system is by any standards draconian and hardcore but it works. Roads are always free and if you really really have to drive you always know you will be able to do it without getting stuck in traffic and get anywhere within the city in no more than 30 minutes.

Those are serious solutions and thy do require serious planning, investments and political will but if the city really wants to achieve such goals (good PT system, congestion-free roads) it can do it and there working examples of that. So the question here is not financial or logistical but rather one of competence. Are Beijing authorities competent enough to achieve that? Judging by the track-record of large-scale transportation and infrastructure projects that we've been seeing over the past two decades I would say yes, certainly.

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Old October 21st, 2015, 03:47 PM   #3057
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G65 + G65W

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A 52 kilometer segment of the Yan'an - Xi'an Expressway (Yanxi Expressway) opened to traffic in Shaanxi province. G65W runs parallel to the older G65 (Baomao Expressway) and has two links to the old route, the opened segment runs from near Huangling to near Yijun. It appears to be a six-lane expressway, possible with a dedicated truck lane.
Here you can see both expressways with a link between them near Huangling, Shaanxi.

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Old October 21st, 2015, 06:00 PM   #3058
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Meanwhile in England they M67 still hasn't been finished.
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It's kind of sad to see us in Europe babbling about missing links for decades and decades, while a less developed country like China builds expressways through much more difficult terrain at a frantic pace.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:35 PM   #3060
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True, but it has something to do with being more liberal with environmental and possesion issues as well the (social) savety of workers. Makes things a lot easier.
Despite that China also has a very pro-active attitude when it comes to infrastructure, so I have to admit there are still problems when it comes to European bureaucracy.
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