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Old May 22nd, 2016, 04:47 PM   #3141
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Soon we'll see abandoned projects that soon will be forgotten in a giant country like China, empty 4+4+4+4+4+4-lane 540 m viaduct-height-motorways in Tibet and cities more congested than ever because as in the list we can see, big cities have been badly neglected, specially Beijing. It so reminds me of Spain 2008... Impressive of course but still.


China is such a huge country,i mean huge, with tremendous population, there is no such thing as ' abandoned' projects. In fact, China's transporation construction carnival is just the beginning.


According to the new 5-year nation plan(2016-2020), in the nex 5 yrs. china will build another 50,000 km expressway, 1 million km pave road ,30,000 km railway ( including 15,000 km high speed rail)....




Basically, China will use expressway to link every town,every city with population over 100,000 ,even in remote region like tibet. The high speed rail will reach every chinese city with population over 200,000 by 2020.


By the way, the sichuan -tibet railway and expressway (>1700km ) has been finalized and will bet built pretty soon. In the next 5 years, it is the turn of china vast wetern region like tibet, xinjiang, qinghai ...


Basic facts, in 2015 China sell 25 million vechicles, by comparsion, U.S 17 million, Japan 5 million, India 2 million
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 07:21 PM   #3142
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The question wasn't so much about what is being planned as to whether those giant construction projects in remote areas are actually justified given the likely use within the next 5-10 years. China is indeed large and there are many people, but not in the Western areas. Some economists say that part of the spending is merely to justify existence of all those factories which make steel, concrete etc. and provide jobs for many people. In that aspect it could be like Spain 5 years ago.

We'll see in the next 5-10 years how things go. Crises happen from time to time in every country and it will tell a lot how China deals with its first serious one...
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 09:50 PM   #3143
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The question wasn't so much about what is being planned as to whether those giant construction projects in remote areas are actually justified given the likely use within the next 5-10 years. China is indeed large and there are many people, but not in the Western areas. Some economists say that part of the spending is merely to justify existence of all those factories which make steel, concrete etc. and provide jobs for many people. In that aspect it could be like Spain 5 years ago.

We'll see in the next 5-10 years how things go. Crises happen from time to time in every country and it will tell a lot how China deals with its first serious one...


In fact ,all arguments go to one point, whether or not China should /could develop itself to a 'developed' country like european or north amercia one.


By european or North Amercian living standard, Chinese has long way to go and a lot more to build.


The catch point is , China has all the necessary technologies it need and tons of tons of money develop it self, yet average chinese living standard just aging lag behind developed countries. To be honest, i really dont see there's any special reasons why china should stop building .

Of course , if people think Chinese should stay where it used to be, China is really building too much and spending too much, but.....

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Old May 22nd, 2016, 10:50 PM   #3144
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Soon we'll see abandoned projects that soon will be forgotten in a giant country like China, empty 4+4+4+4+4+4-lane 540 m viaduct-height-motorways in Tibet and cities more congested than ever because as in the list we can see, big cities have been badly neglected, specially Beijing. It so reminds me of Spain 2008... Impressive of course but still.

What's wrong with that? All the roads remain in Spain and are being utilized.

Per capita wise, China's road system is just 1/4 of that of Spain.


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The question wasn't so much about what is being planned as to whether those giant construction projects in remote areas are actually justified given the likely use within the next 5-10 years. China is indeed large and there are many people, but not in the Western areas. Some economists say that part of the spending is merely to justify existence of all those factories which make steel, concrete etc. and provide jobs for many people. In that aspect it could be like Spain 5 years ago.

We'll see in the next 5-10 years how things go. Crises happen from time to time in every country and it will tell a lot how China deals with its first serious one...

As the economy grew faster and people' s income got higher, more and more people could afford to travel. This is even more so when transportation in China is being made increasingly easier. After 2000, with increases in household consumption, travel is no longer a luxury for the few but rather a consumption of necessity for the average Chinese. Last year, Chinese tourists made more than 4 billion domestic visits, and expenses on travel accounted for 10% of total household spending. Over 120 million outbound visits were made by Chinese tourists and China received 130 million inbound tourists from abroad. A total of over 4 trillion RMB yuan in revenue was generated. Forecasts show that by 2020, the number of per capita travel times by Chinese tourists and the amount of tourism revenue will both double on the current basis. ...

Tourism is a new driver of growth in China. Despite a significant growth, tourism in China, in general, falls short of people's demand. There lacks premium and creative tourist programs and services. In the past five years, investment in tourism has grown by 40% annually to exceed one trillion RMB yuan last year. Modern day tourism integrates the primary, secondary and tertiary industries. It is a new economy that increases the consumption and added value of agricultural products. It also drives the development of needed industrial goods. It is associated with more than 110 industries, and contributes to more than 80% of businesses like catering, accommodation, civil aviation and railway passenger transportation. Booming tourism drives up other businesses. In 2015, direct contribution and aggregate contribution of tourism to China' s GDP was 4.9% and 10.8% respectively. ...



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In fact ,all arguments go to one point, whether or not China should /could develop itself to a 'developed' country like european or north amercia one.


By european or North Amercian living standard, Chinese has long way to go and a lot more to build.


The catch point is , China has all the necessary technologies it need and tons of tons of money develop it self, yet average chinese living standard just aging lag behind developed countries. To be honest, i really dont see there's any special reasons why china should stop building .

Of course , if people think Chinese should stay where it used to be, China is really building too much and spending too much, but.....

The motives for their views maybe suspected.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 11:20 PM   #3145
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In fact ,all arguments go to one point, whether or not China should /could develop itself to a 'developed' country like european or north amercia one.
It is not, at least not by me.


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The catch point is , China has all the necessary technologies it need and tons of tons of money develop it self, yet average chinese living standard just aging lag behind developed countries. To be honest, i really dont see there's any special reasons why china should stop building .
No ones arguing for a complete stop on building, but you could be doing something else with part of that money. Instituting a better social safety net perhaps or maybe just increasing average incomes or some other use which doesn't come to my mind at this moment.
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Old May 22nd, 2016, 11:25 PM   #3146
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What's wrong with that? All the roads remain in Spain and are being utilized.
Several problems - first of all all that infrastructure was funded by debt which I believe is the case in China as well. Roads do have maintenance costs and some are not used very much, partially because they are tolled. To be fair roads is not the worst example, as you rightly note they will be used to one extent or another and will be there a long time. Worse was over-construction of housing and airports. Those if not occupied could really be an equivalent of burning money...

P.S. That's about Spain and they are yet to fully recover from the bursting of that particular bubble 5 years ago.
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Old May 23rd, 2016, 02:59 AM   #3147
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Several problems - first of all all that infrastructure was funded by debt which I believe is the case in China as well. Roads do have maintenance costs and some are not used very much, partially because they are tolled. To be fair roads is not the worst example, as you rightly note they will be used to one extent or another and will be there a long time. Worse was over-construction of housing and airports. Those if not occupied could really be an equivalent of burning money...

P.S. That's about Spain and they are yet to fully recover from the bursting of that particular bubble 5 years ago.

The debts must be put into context and proper perspective. Relatively, I don't think they are significant.

We also need to take into account the reductions in road fatalities (thousands) and traffic injuries ( tens of thousands) because of the spendings.

http://usa.streetsblog.org/2014/08/2...y-is-pathetic/
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Old June 4th, 2016, 08:58 PM   #3148
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Just under a year old, but only just seen it 'showcased' on youtube:-



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The Middle Ring Expressway, located at Suzhou Hi-Tech Zone has transformed into the most brilliantly luminated municipal road in Suzhou city. With a total investment of RMB 22 billion, the roadway was equipped with around 2,000 sets of OSRAM OLUX™ LED Spot H with 4000K color temperature. In addition, around 10,000 sets of OSRAM XTRA Liner DC were used to achieve different lighting effects by changing the high powered LEDs. The seamless lighting effects are operated by e:cue control systems, including Butler S2, LCE 2 and RDM Isolater that control around 10,000 sets of OSRAM XTRA Liner LEDs, which produce identical colors simultaneously.

Connecting 27 nearby areas, the Middle Ring Expressway is one of the most important transportation hubs in Suzhou city. This 112 km expressway consists of six lanes of two-way traffic, supporting speeds up to 80 km/h. Now outlined by fascinating lighting effects, drivers and passengers of this roadway can truly enjoy this exquisite journey. Traxon & e:cue (sic) is excited to be part of this outstanding project.

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Old June 27th, 2016, 08:24 PM   #3149
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Old June 30th, 2016, 05:50 PM   #3150
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I've found someone has added to OpenStreetMap the exact path the G7 Middle of Nowhere expressway (Officially known as the Beijing-Urumqi expressway) will take through... well, the middle of nowhere . I thought most of the Inner Mongolia section would follow S312 from Linhe/Bayannur to Ejin banner and to a point West, but at one point it swings to the South with the Linhe-Ceke railway and then going almost straight to the S312/S218 junction. It will pass South of Ejin banner and then go almost due West to pass North of Mazhongshan (in Gansu province), where it turns Northwest to end at G30 East of Hami, Xinjiang Uyghur. Bing aerial already shows most of the Xinjiang section U/C (which is the part Google doesn't cover).

And the westernmost section of G18 Roncheng-Wuhai expressway is shown in Baidu Maps. It will run further South than I was expecting (which was along G109), but at least I got where the junction with G6 will be right.
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The 31 kilometer long Youyang - Yanhe (Youyan) Expressway opened to traffic in Chongqing, China. It is a branch route from G65 to the Guizhou border, where it links up with the Yande Expressway that opened on 31 December 2015. The news paper article indicates the number S26, it's unclear if this is the Chongqing number, as I haven't seen any provincial expressway numbers for Chongqing. Chinese Wikipedia doesn't list S-numbers for Chongqing.

http://cqrbepaper.cqnews.net/cqrb/ht...nt_1915381.htm
I think someone just checked Chinese Wikipedia and didn't go to the great list on the English one. There the Youyang-Yanhe expressway is listed as S25, so maybe either the news article or the Wikipedia one has a typo (And Wikipedia says S26 will be the Xiushan-Songtao expressway).
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Old July 5th, 2016, 02:17 AM   #3152
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Old July 17th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #3153
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The Guiyang - Qianxi (Guiqian) Expressway opened to traffic yesterday in Guizhou province. The 78 kilometer expressway runs east-west from the capital city to Qianxi and is extended by the Qianda Expressway which opened in 2015. The expressway includes the 440 meter high Yachi Bridge, one of the highest bridges in the world. The construction cost was 9 billion yuan (€ 1.2 billion / $ 1.35 billion).

http://news.xinhuanet.com/local/2016..._129153156.htm
I don't know how this expressway is numbered. Chinese Wikipedia and Baidu Maps don't show a number. It is said that this was previously planned as part of G76 from Guiyang to Bijie, as it is shorter than the current G76 route via Nayong.

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Old July 18th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #3154
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That was the originally planned route of the Xiamen-Chengdu expressway before it was realigned to better serve Bijie. It is now numbered S83, which is weird seeing it is an evident extension of S82. That also happens (Will happen, as none of them is yet built) at national level with G12/G1216 at Ulanhot, G2511/G2515 at Lubei/Jarud Banner, and G4011/G4012 at Liyang.
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Yongji Highway stretches more than 84km through tunnels and mountains. This section traverses Shuguang Village, Hunan.





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Old September 11th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #3156
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Beipanjiang Bridge

The bridge deck of the Beipanjiang Bridge was completed yesterday. The bridge is located on the border of Guizhou and Yunnan. It's the world's highest bridge, the bridge deck is located 564 meters above the Beipan River. One World Trade Center would fit under it - including the spire!







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Old September 11th, 2016, 04:18 PM   #3157
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Which one of the hundred or so bridges well over the North Pan river? . Since it's the highest one (in the world), it's the Duge bridge. Once open to traffic, it will carry G56 Hangzhou-Ruili expressway.
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And meanwhile, I wonder if what I call the Shaanxi Yellow River bridge is U/C. I call it 'Shaanxi' because it will be located west of Shan county Shanzhou (It's no longer a county, it is now a district), much like the province. Same goes to the missing link of G22 Qingdao-Lanzhou expressway in Shandong province, I can't believe they haven't built it yet.
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It appears to me that China opened much fewer new expressways since 1 January than in preceding years. While there is usually a bonanza of expresway openings in the final two weeks of December, it's been unusually quiet in 2016 so far, compared to earlier years.
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I imagine that is because the most useful motorways have been built already.
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