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Old December 5th, 2007, 01:56 AM   #821
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But there IS enough electricity...
Where? China is already struggling to supply its cities and industries with enough electricity. And Uranium and Coal are both limited resources.

And just imagine the whole world has to substitute oil with other natural resources, then you can imagine the price for it.

And then comes India and perhaps Africa. They all want energy.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 05:11 AM   #822
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What I'm trying to say is that there will be advances in obtaining electricity within the next century. For example, look at the fusion test plant built in France. These new technologies have the potential to provide cheap electricity once the details are set in place and the construction techniques become common..

Also, fields of massive wind turbines and solar plants in the Gobi Desert might provide a lot for northern China.

Things will definitely not be hopeless, especially when oil reserves are almost depleted and the rate of advance will have to accelerate.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 01:08 PM   #823
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Things will definitely not be hopeless, especially when oil reserves are almost depleted and the rate of advance will have to accelerate.
I agree. They will find another solution to energy sources. A man has walked on the moon. We have particle-accelerators, we can do anything with atoms. I do think we are able to find another energy source, because, let's face it, public transportation will never be able to be as efficient as a car.

Also, trains do not run on wind, in the Netherlands, they consume over 1% of all electricity production nationwide. That might not sound a lot, but when compared to mileage, it's not that much better for the environment than cars.

But the real pollution comes from trucks. I have read a report of Dutch ministry of VROM that says trucks pollute 10 times more in a traffic jam than driving at 90km/h.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 04:25 PM   #824
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What I'm trying to say is that there will be advances in obtaining electricity within the next century. For example, look at the fusion test plant built in France. These new technologies have the potential to provide cheap electricity once the details are set in place and the construction techniques become common..

Also, fields of massive wind turbines and solar plants in the Gobi Desert might provide a lot for northern China.

Things will definitely not be hopeless, especially when oil reserves are almost depleted and the rate of advance will have to accelerate.
Yeah. Your are definitely right. Especially the Nuclear Fusion. By the way, to those people who doesn't know anything about Nuclear Fusion. It is an energy source of our sun or any stars in this universe (probably blackholes are using it). It is the energy used for the Hydrogen Bomb / Thermo-Nuclear bomb. That means it is an "infinite" source of energy and that will tackle the problems on our energy issues. We are still in experimental stage right now but I am confident that we will develop this further to be the next primary source of our energy. So don't worry about India, Africa and China or other developing countries who are thirsty for energy. Every countries will prevail once we have the right source of energy.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM   #825
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What about pollution from that energy source? Transportation without pollution would be the best.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 05:14 PM   #826
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What about pollution from that energy source? Transportation without pollution would be the best.

Currently, GM, Ford, Toyota and other big Car Makers are expermenting a rechargeable battery that will last for a long time (10 - 20 days). It is still in experimental stage but they are confident they are going to have one by 2010.

We already have several cars that runs on electricity. The problem is it will only last for a short time. This will not be good for a long commute, traffic jam or we can simply say "it's not reliable enough".

Once we got this battery, we can have cars or trucks that will run for at least 150 - 180 Miles per Galloon (MPG). Half of the energy will be electric source and half will be fuel source (bio-fuel perhaps) but it will emit very low pollutants or it will not emit any pollutants at all.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #827
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Current hybrid cars (like the Toyota Prius) still consume about 1 liter to 21km. That's not extremely economical, small diesel cars can do that too.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 12:50 AM   #828
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Old December 6th, 2007, 10:06 AM   #829
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Where are those aerials taken?
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Old December 6th, 2007, 01:34 PM   #830
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Current hybrid cars (like the Toyota Prius) still consume about 1 liter to 21km. That's not extremely economical, small diesel cars can do that too.
Correct only in the city. On the highway there is no reason to use hybrid drive. Prius consumes 6.5 l/100km. My 2.2l petrol consumes 7.5 L/100km when on highway. Its not worth buyig a hybrid right now. Maybe after the technology advaces in few years...
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Old December 7th, 2007, 02:04 AM   #831
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Diesel beats both petrol and hybrid cars in mixed cycle. I hope they will realise that in America soon and start bringing a greater variety of compact and mid-size diesel cars.
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Old December 7th, 2007, 01:38 PM   #832
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Diesel beats both petrol and hybrid cars in mixed cycle. I hope they will realise that in America soon and start bringing a greater variety of compact and mid-size diesel cars.
Only if diesel gets cheaper. Diesel is big in Germany because diesel fuel is cheaper than gasoline fuel. But I don't think this will happen in America because it would cause the death of American car industry.
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Old December 9th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #834
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Chongqing, Dalian and Beijing
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Old December 16th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #835
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Chongqing-Beibei(北碚) highway,Beibei is around 40 kilometers northwest of Chongqing.These photos were taken in Beibei.


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Old December 16th, 2007, 11:06 PM   #836
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chinese highways are nice in its own ways, but I prefer those highways nestled by natural surroundings, or those surrounded by supertalls
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Old December 16th, 2007, 11:32 PM   #837
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That can't happen for all highways, no matter what country they're in.
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Old December 17th, 2007, 05:43 AM   #838
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Old December 17th, 2007, 10:47 PM   #839
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What city is that in?
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that pic is too cool
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