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Old July 13th, 2008, 11:39 PM   #1101
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Old July 14th, 2008, 02:56 PM   #1102
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Roads_of_Beijing


Read this, its all about the ring road in Beijing.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #1103
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I see most of those ringroads are still very close to central Beijing. The first 4 ringroads are only 2 km apart from eachother. That significantly increases the risk of gridlocks, since a pretty standard 10km traffic jam on a radial expressway can jam up 4 ringroads.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #1104
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6 rings are alerady completed .
Don't forget that there isn't a '1st ring road'. You have 5 ring roads in Beijing, from '2nd' to '6th'. I don't know if they started the sixth ring ('7th ring road') already.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 05:04 PM   #1105
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Here you can see the first 5:



(The first ring road is essentially the 4 streets around the Forbidden City, some don't consider it a ring road since its not an expressway)

And the outer ring is the 6th ring road, not much traffic on it yet since the urban sprawl hasn't reached it yet (the urban sprawl has reached the 5th ring ultra fast, just a few years ago it was within the 3rd ring with a little between the 3rd and 4th rings):

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Old July 14th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #1106
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Here's a typical entry sign for a non-numbered expressway:

Sorry, What car is this (the black one)?

Thanks, great thread !!
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Old July 14th, 2008, 10:20 PM   #1107
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actually the ring road in beijing has give effect to speed up the city area expansion, its really solve the traffic in beijing?
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Old July 14th, 2008, 11:11 PM   #1108
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actually the ring road in beijing has give effect to speed up the city area expansion, its really solve the traffic in beijing?
Probably not unless growth is curtailed. Building more ring roads without limits on development will just cause more sprawl, clogging the road and necessitating the construction of yet ANOTHER beltway.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:10 AM   #1109
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Sorry, What car is this (the black one)?

Thanks, great thread !!
Probably a late model Volkswagon Santana, the older ones are more boxy.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 04:05 AM   #1110
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Old July 15th, 2008, 07:46 AM   #1111
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #1112
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Probably not unless growth is curtailed. Building more ring roads without limits on development will just cause more sprawl, clogging the road and necessitating the construction of yet ANOTHER beltway.
Exactly. However, with the Chinese influx of people from the countryside to the cities, there's little hope for limiting growth. The Chinese need to make some longterm planning decisions. I wouldn't call 6 ringroads that are only 2km/1.5 mile apart very useful. The density of Beijing is high enough to support a large subway system.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #1113
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yeah, and a large subway system is being built, and the outer ring is 10-15 km from the 5th ring, the inner ones are around 3km apart from each other, and they are very useful actually, many cars use them every day and there isn't that much congestion.
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No? I thought it was jammed as hell?
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Personally, In think 3km apart is too close. 5 - 10km is better, you can design normal boulevards in between.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 10:38 PM   #1116
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OK, what about that;

I added 2 ringroads more.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 10:51 PM   #1117
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I added 2 ringroads more.

whats the sense of such a huge "ring"?

If you are beyond a certain diameter, it doesnt make any sense, to make larger rings around a city.

It makes more sense, to make a network of motorways across the whole country.....
Then, the biggest "ring" around the city would equal one "stich" of that "mesh"
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Old July 16th, 2008, 01:13 AM   #1118
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Not very useful, since the population density of the areas in the rings you drew is low, and there will be huge engineering challenges to serve such a small user base (the entire northern and western sections are mountains, notice that no expressways go west and only 2 go north since they are vital links to Hebei, while 7 go south and east, they have the luxury of building more expressways on an ultra flat surface; the Badaling expressway has many bridges and tunnels and steep grades). Even the 6th ring is a bit excessive, its already rural at that point and Beijing's urbanization is slowing, so I doubt that the city will ever reach the 6th ring anyway.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 03:31 AM   #1119
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whats the sense of such a huge "ring"?

If you are beyond a certain diameter, it doesnt make any sense, to make larger rings around a city.

It makes more sense, to make a network of motorways across the whole country.....
Then, the biggest "ring" around the city would equal one "stich" of that "mesh"
if you live in the top north of a city (or you drive to beijing from north,but want to reach south parts of beijing)for example, you want to go to top of south or east or west, ring road can make great help. you can drive at faster speed on ring road, and much less traffic light.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #1120
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Not when there are FIVE ring roads around Beijing, and each one just encourages more building. Then you have to build ANOTHER ring road, and then ANOTHER, and ANOTHER.

Too many US cities have went this way and each one lost control over themselves.

But at least they're serious about building more railways.
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