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Old July 16th, 2008, 03:57 PM   #1121
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Yeah and the new development is very well connected to the city center with metro lines, see the Batong line, it connects eastern suburbs with the city center.
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Old July 19th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #1122
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Old July 20th, 2008, 08:40 PM   #1123
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actually do u guys really think what is the main reason causing beijing traffic go worse?

Beijing really facing a tone of problem in term of crowded traffic, i had think few methods:

1)few suburbans should be well plan around beijing and link with metro and expressway. solve the population booming in beijing is the only way to solve the crowded traffic in beijing city.

2)move the capital city level away from beijing to another city or construct a new capital city for China, its will push Chinese construction field to the max.

3)increase car tax or road tax.
4)set ERP in Beijing city center, but public transit should be in advance level.
5)another ring road????

beijing traffic is the most crowded city in china??? how about Shanghai? CQ?
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:31 PM   #1124
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Construct tons of highways and urban railways ignoring nimby trolls. That's what any city needs to improve traffic issues.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 05:29 AM   #1125
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actually do u guys really think what is the main reason causing beijing traffic go worse?

Beijing really facing a tone of problem in term of crowded traffic, i had think few methods:

1)few suburbans should be well plan around beijing and link with metro and expressway. solve the population booming in beijing is the only way to solve the crowded traffic in beijing city.

2)move the capital city level away from beijing to another city or construct a new capital city for China, its will push Chinese construction field to the max.

3)increase car tax or road tax.
4)set ERP in Beijing city center, but public transit should be in advance level.
5)another ring road????

beijing traffic is the most crowded city in china??? how about Shanghai? CQ?
The first question is easy: the reason is the explosive growth of personal cars in Beijing in recent years.

some comments to your points:

1) Beijing Govt are building 7-8 satellite cities around the capital. Light rails are being built to connect those cities; (like Daxing, Yizhuang, Pinggu, Changping, Tongzhou etc)

2) Good idea, but it seems Beijing got the best Fengshui

3) yes, they should learn from Shanghai and put the car plate into auction to limit the usage of personal cars;

4) Beijing will have one of the world's largest public transportation system (subways esp.). The traffic problem will be partially resolved by 2015;

5) Ring road is not capable of resolving the traffic issues. (Beijing has 6 rings and are planning the 7th). A re-design or modification of current road/ route is the better way.

I've frequented Beijing and Shanghai. It seems Shanghai's traffic condition is better. Both cities have similar road infrastructure so I guess Shanghai has an edge on traffic management.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 09:36 AM   #1126
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The problem is that even if only a few percent of the inhabitants of a large Chinese city owns a car, you immediatly still have over a million cars on the road.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 01:46 PM   #1127
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The first question is easy: the reason is the explosive growth of personal cars in Beijing in recent years.

some comments to your points:

1) Beijing Govt are building 7-8 satellite cities around the capital. Light rails are being built to connect those cities; (like Daxing, Yizhuang, Pinggu, Changping, Tongzhou etc)

2) Good idea, but it seems Beijing got the best Fengshui

3) yes, they should learn from Shanghai and put the car plate into auction to limit the usage of personal cars;

4) Beijing will have one of the world's largest public transportation system (subways esp.). The traffic problem will be partially resolved by 2015;

5) Ring road is not capable of resolving the traffic issues. (Beijing has 6 rings and are planning the 7th). A re-design or modification of current road/ route is the better way.

I've frequented Beijing and Shanghai. It seems Shanghai's traffic condition is better. Both cities have similar road infrastructure so I guess Shanghai has an edge on traffic management.


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Old July 22nd, 2008, 01:55 PM   #1128
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which expressway in China have the most lanes ???
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Old July 23rd, 2008, 07:54 AM   #1129
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which expressway in China have the most lanes ???
dont know, maybe in beijing.
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Old July 28th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #1130
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I heard the efforts to improving the air quality in Beijing by taking half of the cars off the road didn't gave any results so far. The Chinese will take "draconic measures" if the air quality doesn't improve 48 hours before the opening of the Olympics. I hope they have some better alternatives than taking all cars off the road, since this will certainly not improve the air quality in Beijing, since the exhaust and pollution of cars is too local to make a big difference.
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Old July 29th, 2008, 12:39 AM   #1131
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I heard the efforts to improving the air quality in Beijing by taking half of the cars off the road didn't gave any results so far. The Chinese will take "draconic measures" if the air quality doesn't improve 48 hours before the opening of the Olympics. I hope they have some better alternatives than taking all cars off the road, since this will certainly not improve the air quality in Beijing, since the exhaust and pollution of cars is too local to make a big difference.
They should rather stop or reduce production in local factories. That would make much bigger difference. But, it would be expansive of course.
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Old July 29th, 2008, 09:14 AM   #1132
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I read that China constructs 8 coal plants per month, and according to Greenpeace, one coal plant equals 2 million cars. Hence there is the equivalent of 192 million cars produced every year in China.
Well, coal is widely and easily accessible in China, so it's not that weird they're using it.
PM10 peaks at 500 microgrammes per cubic meter sometimes, which is over 20 times the point where Dutch environmental parties all get worked up.
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Old August 1st, 2008, 07:41 AM   #1133
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Not when there are FIVE ring roads around Beijing, and each one just encourages more building. Then you have to build ANOTHER ring road, and then ANOTHER, and ANOTHER.

hmmmmmmmmmm, I guess we call this phenomenon "development".
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Old August 1st, 2008, 02:28 PM   #1134
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I read that China constructs 8 coal plants per month, and according to Greenpeace, one coal plant equals 2 million cars. Hence there is the equivalent of 192 million cars produced every year in China.
Well, coal is widely and easily accessible in China, so it's not that weird they're using it.
PM10 peaks at 500 microgrammes per cubic meter sometimes, which is over 20 times the point where Dutch environmental parties all get worked up.
8 per month...? Well, I'm working for a Chinese company and I'm used to being surprised, but 8...? Where did you get that figure?
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Old August 1st, 2008, 02:30 PM   #1135
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Check it out:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/6769743.stm

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China is now building about two power stations every week, the top climate change official at the UK Foreign Office, John Ashton, has said.
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China currently generates around two thirds of its electricity from coal-fired power stations.[14] It is progressing with the construction of 562 new coal-fired plants over the next few years.[17][18] In June 2007 it was reported that an average of two new plants were being opened every week.

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Old August 1st, 2008, 02:38 PM   #1136
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I just wonder if it makes sense to talk about environmentaly friendly electricity in Europe... if one plant's output is 500 MW (roughly estimated), then they add Czech Republic's capacity every 10 weeks
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Old August 1st, 2008, 02:40 PM   #1137
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well, the enviromental parties in the Netherlands are upset about every increase of traffic, while they add 27 times the entire Dutch car stock per year in emissions. Kinda hypocrite, but they know they stand a chance in Europe, and not in China.
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Old August 7th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #1138
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Newly opened Beijing-tianjin expressway (BJ-TJ 2nd expressway)


















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Old September 27th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #1139
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any update for China expressway construction?
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Old October 2nd, 2008, 04:28 PM   #1140
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Dear friends,

I just had a look at all the pictures in the first part and I am absolutely amazed by the quality of the highways in China. They are so extensive and aesthetically brilliant.

Are all the highways and express ways in China concertized or asphalt concrete based? Also, how do they maintain the landscaping on the highways and on the side hills of such extensive highways? If they have dedicated people to travel along these highways and maintain these landscaping every week or once in a fortnight, then such a disciplined routine deserves a big salute.

Great job China!
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