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Old October 5th, 2008, 01:50 PM   #1141
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hope the same for India
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Old October 6th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #1142
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well, the enviromental parties in the Netherlands are upset about every increase of traffic, while they add 27 times the entire Dutch car stock per year in emissions. Kinda hypocrite, but they know they stand a chance in Europe, and not in China.
The Dutch environmental parties can't do anything about China, but they can do something about the pollution in the Netherlands.

We need a new Kyoto that limits greenhouse gas emissions in China, India, and Russia in addition to the developed world.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 04:54 AM   #1143
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The Dutch environmental parties can't do anything about China, but they can do something about the pollution in the Netherlands.

We need a new Kyoto that limits greenhouse gas emissions in China, India, and Russia in addition to the developed world.
China emission per capita is far lower than any country western country, so if china need to reduce it, than any western country should reduce more
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Old October 17th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #1144
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That's the problem with China: they have so much people, that calculating per capita doesn't really make sense because a big part of the population lives in the countryside, causing only minor pollution. In normal figures about pollution China is a major polluter.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #1145
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Dear friends,

I just had a look at all the pictures in the first part and I am absolutely amazed by the quality of the highways in China. They are so extensive and aesthetically brilliant.

Are all the highways and express ways in China concertized or asphalt concrete based? Also, how do they maintain the landscaping on the highways and on the side hills of such extensive highways? If they have dedicated people to travel along these highways and maintain these landscaping every week or once in a fortnight, then such a disciplined routine deserves a big salute.

Great job China!
All the expressways I've seen are asphalt. They have teams of workers maintain the landscaping, you can see them working every day with pruning bushes, sweeping the road, and planting trees. I think they get the workers from the local towns, most of the workers I've seen have peasant clothing instead of a company worker's official clothing.
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Old October 17th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #1146
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Construction to start on city's first green expressway

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By Chen Xingjie | 2008-10-15 |

SHANGHAI will start construction of its first ecologically friendly expressway by the year's end to link Chongming Island with Qidong, a coastal city in neighboring Jiangsu Province.

The proposal was approved yesterday by the Ministry of Transport and the highway is expected to be completed by 2012.

It marks the final phase of the Shanghai-Chongming-Jiangsu Connection Project which will link Shanghai and Xi'an, capital of Shaanxi Province.

Together with the Yangtze Tunnel and Bridge project, which is being built between Shanghai's Pudong New Area and Chongming Island via Changxing Island, the Chongming-Qidong Expressway will form a significant intercity fast track at the mouth of Yangtze River and greatly shorten transport time between Shanghai and east Jiangsu, according to the proposal.

A trip from downtown Shanghai to Qidong will be cut to 1.5 hours from 2.5 hours with the travel distance reduced to 110 kilometers from 200 kilometers.

The six-lane Chongming-Qidong Expressway, spanning 53 kilometers, will start from the Yangtze Tunnel and Bridge project in Chongming and stretches north to connect to the Nanjing-Nantong-Qidong Expressway in Qidong. It includes three parts: the Beizhi Bridge project, a road connection to Chongming and a road link to Qidong. Thirty-one kilometers of the road will be in Shanghai with the remainder in Jiangsu.

Since the expressway will go through ecologically sensitive forests and wetlands on Chongming Island, a series of environmental protection measures will be adopted to reduce its impact on the ecology, according to the proposal.

For example, the construction schedule will be arranged to minimize its affect on animal mating seasons and fish migration. Twenty to 40 percent less land will be used for road construction than normal. And the noise on the road will be reduced by two to three decibels.

Chongming Island, China's third largest, sits in the center of the mouth of the Yangtze River, which separates Shanghai and northern Jiangsu Province.
The city government has plans to develop the island into an ecology-based resort and residential area over the next few years.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 12:38 AM   #1147
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That's the problem with China: they have so much people, that calculating per capita doesn't really make sense because a big part of the population lives in the countryside, causing only minor pollution. In normal figures about pollution China is a major polluter.
You're badly disinformed (and this doesn't surprise me given your place of origin). Even in absolute terms, the USA are by far the biggest polluters in the world, and the biggest burners of oil. If you also keep in mind that China produces commodities for all the world, whereas the USA are already a minor exporter, then you get an idea of who's wasting the most resources. So it's true, we need a new Kyoto, and guess who's always blocking the agreements towards a sustainable development? His surname starts by the letter "B"...
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...521153,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060701460.html
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Old October 20th, 2008, 05:27 AM   #1148
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1580km Shanghai-Shaanxi expressway to complete on Oct 31 2008

Running through Qinling mountains, it is one of the most difficult expressways ever built in China. pictures taken on 10.19










(http://news.sina.com.cn/c/p/2008-10-...16487204.shtml)
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Old October 20th, 2008, 09:23 AM   #1149
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I believe China has overtaken the US in absolute terms recently. Per capita, the US is still worse ofcourse. But both countries are still a huge difference, the US is a nearly 100% modernized nation, while China still has a long way to go.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 11:56 AM   #1150
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China's emissions are decreasing along with the modernization and the shift from a production based economy to a consumer based one. In fact, China has some of the most strict environmental policies in the world.
It will probably remain a smaller polluter (per capita of course, it's ridiculous to compare in other terms than that) than all Western nations forever.
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Old October 21st, 2008, 07:09 AM   #1151
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The Dutch environmental parties can't do anything about China, but they can do something about the pollution in the Netherlands.

We need a new Kyoto that limits greenhouse gas emissions in China, India, and Russia in addition to the developed world.
Thats unacceptable. India is as rich as Nicaragua and China is as rich as Guatemala. There's no way that the severely obese US (20 tons CO2 per person) can demand China (4 tons) and India (1 ton) to lose weight.
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Old October 24th, 2008, 07:05 AM   #1152
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10.14.2008 Xi'an-Ankang expressway

Xi'an-Ankang expressway is about to finish after 5-year construction. photos taken 10.14 by xinhuanet.





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Old October 24th, 2008, 10:57 AM   #1153
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Are there any plans of a freeway from Chongqing/Chengdu to Lhasa?
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Old October 24th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #1154
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There's plans from Xining to Lhasa, Chongqing/Chengdu to Lhasa may be added at a later stage, but it would recieve very little traffic, so I don't see it as necessary.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 02:35 PM   #1155
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These speed limits are so dumb. So if I wanna drive 111 km/h, I must drive on the leftmost lane and thus block all those who wanna drive 120 km/h.
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Old October 25th, 2008, 05:32 PM   #1156
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Or you just stay on the lane in which the limit is 110 km/h and violate the speed limit with 1 km/h. And why the hell would you wanna drive 111 km/h instead of 110 km/h Anyway, it's still insane
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Old October 27th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #1157
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These speed limits are so dumb. So if I wanna drive 111 km/h, I must drive on the leftmost lane and thus block all those who wanna drive 120 km/h.
I suspect that you can drive in either lane 1 or 2 (as measured from the jersey barrier) because 10 kph is probably within speed radar's margin of error. These posted speed limits are probably intended to do the opposite of what you are suggesting by limiting the far left lane to higher performance vehicles that can easily maintain 120 kph (which isn't that fast for most newer vehicles).
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Old October 27th, 2008, 12:14 PM   #1158
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Jingdezheng-Wuyuan-Huangshan expressway

The whole project will complete by the end of 2008

Jiangxi section, photos by 婺源吴老师















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Old November 2nd, 2008, 06:55 AM   #1159
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newly built expressway

nanjing-hangzhou xpressway.
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