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Old September 7th, 2010, 05:28 AM   #1581
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Do you mean there will be 50000km of new expressways by 2013? Is that really possible? I mean even in China that sounds a bit too much.
The data is based on the collection of planning expressway distance by all provinces. The real construction data might be different but not likely too much away from that. Actually I'm also interested to know by year end how many kms really get built.

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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:16 AM   #1582
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Thanks for some clarification. By any means, this is more than just impressive. China is acting wise building up the world-class infrastructure. Even in a case of possible future financial difficulties there won't be any regrets because it's a massive tangible asset which cannot be taken away by crises or financial bubbles as is the case with cash reserves or stocks.

Also, according to Wikipedia China should have over 76 000km of expressways by the end of 2010. So that should be No.1 in the world by this measure overtaking the US interstate length.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:45 AM   #1583
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Exactly. Unlike the railway construction which is planned and managed by MOR, expressway construction does not need to be approved by a single ministry, and therefore is very hard to be summarized. Guess we will have to wait for the data published by each province.


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The data is based on the collection of planning expressway distance by all provinces. The real construction data might be different but not likely too much away from that. Actually I'm also interested to know by year end how many kms really get built.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #1584
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Actually I updated the wikipedia entry. lol

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Thanks for some clarification. By any means, this is more than just impressive. China is acting wise building up the world-class infrastructure. Even in a case of possible future financial difficulties there won't be any regrets because it's a massive tangible asset which cannot be taken away by crises or financial bubbles as is the case with cash reserves or stocks.

Also, according to Wikipedia China should have over 76 000km of expressways by the end of 2010. So that should be No.1 in the world by this measure overtaking the US interstate length.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #1585
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I thought the NRDC still approves the overall Rail and expressway network plans. Then it's up to the provinces to fund and build

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Exactly. Unlike the railway construction which is planned and managed by MOR, expressway construction does not need to be approved by a single ministry, and therefore is very hard to be summarized. Guess we will have to wait for the data published by each province.
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Old September 10th, 2010, 02:49 PM   #1586
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Actually the U.S. still outruns China for a few more years. The Interstate Highway network is approximately 75% of the total freeway network in the United States. Many areas also have US Highways and State Highways that are built to Interstate standards.
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Old September 18th, 2010, 09:08 AM   #1587
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4 expressways opened in Jiangxi province (9.16.2010)

which makes Jiangxi's expressway length surpassing 3000km (3040km).

Total length: 607km
Total cost: 27.065 bln yuan

Shicheng-Ji'an expressway (石城至吉安): 190.7km
Yingtan-Ruijin expressway (鹰潭至瑞金): 308.84km
Ganzhou Ring expressway road (赣州绕城高速): 52.7km
Pengze-Hukou expressway (彭泽至湖口): 65.178km

There are 5 expressways under construction in Jaingxi Province. The expressway length will reach 4000km in 2012 and 4800km in 2015.

Shicheng-Ji'an expressway (石城至吉安):

Length: 190.7km
19 Tunnels, 21km
164 bridges, 30km
tunnel/bridge ratio: 27.1%
Cost: 10.2786 bln yuan (one of the most expensive built)





Yingtan-Ruijin expressway (鹰潭至瑞金):

length: 308.84km
Cost: 13 bln yuan
Speed: 100km/h
Landscaping cost: 420 mln yuan





Ganzhou Ring expressway road (赣州绕城高速):

Length: 52.7km
Cost: 2.16 bln yuan
Speed: 100km/h





Pengze-Hukou expressway (彭泽至湖口):

Length: 65.178km
Cost: 1.62 bln yuan





(www.china-highway.com)
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Old September 18th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #1588
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Very nice roads!
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Old September 18th, 2010, 08:51 PM   #1589
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Old September 28th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #1590
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Sorry for my ignorance, but I don't quite understand the Chinese road classification system. If you read about Chinese National Highways on wikipedia, it says that not all of them are of expressway standard. Does this mean that some of them are below expressway standard? If so then how many motorway standard roads are there in China?
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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:37 PM   #1591
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Expressways are not numbered like in many other countries (although there appear to be numbers for some urban expressway systems). The National Highway system is, to my knowledge, similar to the US Highway system. Expressways (motorways / freeways) parallel National Highways often.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 12:35 AM   #1592
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The guo dao (National Highways) usually aren't expressways, now they are generally used as free alternatives to the tolled expressways
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Old September 29th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #1593
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So I guess the standards in China aren't as simple as they are elsewhere? If so then if we take European motorway standard as the benchmark, how many motorways would there be in China?
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Old September 29th, 2010, 02:32 AM   #1594
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see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressways_of_China
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Old September 29th, 2010, 03:46 AM   #1595
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I think bleetz is trying to ask whether all expressways in China are of similar standard i.e. a 2+2 with a hard shoulder acceleration/slowing lanes, only grade separated junctions etc. So far we got some answers but none that actually answered the question.

Wikipedia article isn't 100% clear about that as well but I pretty much assume that an expressway in China means same as motorway, autobahn, autoroute, autovia/autopista or autostrada in Europe or Interstate hwy/Freeway in US. In fact, even in Europe there are some noticeable differences between the standard peculiarities but the general menaing is more or less the following: at least 2 lanes each direction with opposing traffic flows physically separated by either barrier or green lane, only grade separated junctions, hard paved shoulders (typically), speed limit of 110-130km/h, reasonably long and spacious acceleration and slowing down lanes, road signs with a different color from regular roads, limitations on what can use the road (i.e. only motor vehicles that can go at least 60km/h) etc.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 05:07 AM   #1596
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but the general menaing is more or less the following: at least 2 lanes each direction with opposing traffic flows physically separated by either barrier or green lane, only grade separated junctions, hard paved shoulders (typically), speed limit of 110-130km/h, reasonably long and spacious acceleration and slowing down lanes, road signs with a different color from regular roads, limitations on what can use the road (i.e. only motor vehicles that can go at least 60km/h) etc.
That is pretty much the loose definition of expressway in China. There are more requirements(and I assume so for any similar definition of expressway or motorway in the world), but these must be satisfied before a road is classified as an expressway in China.

There are five standards of roads from the engineering perspective in China: expressway and Grade 1-4 (in the order from the best to the worst). National or provincial highways could be of any standard. The national trunk highway system(national expressway network) in China is more like American interstate highway system.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 04:23 AM   #1597
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All expressways in China are "freeway" standard. The expressway system is completely separate from the National Highway system. National Highways can be all different quality and configuration of roads, and they were instituted shortly after the PRC was founded in 1949. Expressways were started to be built in the late 80s and are a completely different network.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #1598
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Not necessarily high-way related but I found some cool infographics related to cars and transport.





These infographics give a good sense of the scale that the amount of cars is growing at a staggering rate. And you can see why there is a need for so many new roads.

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http://chinfographics.com/
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It is just the tip of the iceberg though, there will be many more. 26 million cars on 1.3 billion is still nothing. If you count on 400 cars per 1,000 population (like western countries with low auto rates), you will end up with 520 million cars.
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Yeah that was what I was thinking too. Still only 26 million cars in 2009....The biggest growth has yet to come.
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