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Old July 17th, 2005, 12:27 AM   #1
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London Stansted overtakes Manchester as the UK's third busiest airport!!

This happened briefly before but as the month porgressed and the figures were revised Manchester came out slightly ahead. Then Manchester's lead over Stansted actually grew over the winter months. Now as we get the summer results it's Stansted's turn to definitively take the lead.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf

Terminal Passengers Annual Rolling Total to June 2005
- Stansted = 21,580,666
- Manchester = 21,559,786
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Old July 17th, 2005, 12:58 AM   #2
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London's five major airports carried nearly 132 million passengers in the year to June:

- London Heathrow = 67,784,236
- London Gatwick = 32,286,394
- London Stansted = 21,580,666
- London Luton = 8,457,422
- London City = 1,843,440
- Total = 131,952,158
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Old July 17th, 2005, 04:20 AM   #3
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The Manchester Airport thread has gone too... This will only be short-lived as Stansted doesn't have permission to grow by as much as Manchester does. Government restrictions will majorly limit the airport once it reaches the 30 million point. Also, growth at MAN in absolute terms was actually greater than at Stansted so after a slack couple of months we've started to catch up again.

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^ No Mancheter's growth since the same period last year was slower than Stansted's and for the year as a whole. It grew by less in both percentage and total.
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^ No Mancheter's growth since the same period last year was slower than Stansted's and for the year as a whole. It grew by less in both percentage and total.
I never said otherwise. The simple fact is that Manchester's total passengers last month was higher than Stansted's total passengers last month. It even says so on that CAA link you posted!
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No you said this which is completely wrong:
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Also, growth at MAN in absolute terms was actually greater than at Stansted so after a slack couple of months we've started to catch up again."
Manchester's growth in absolute terms was smaller - not higher. Stansted added more new passengers in June 2005 compared to June 2004 than Manchester. Manchester did not not to start to catch up again. It fell further behind.

Let me explain: Manchester is more of a bucket-and-spade airport with a lot of charter flights in the summer. Stansted is the world's leading budget aviation hub. They are scheduled flights. Obviously traffic goes up for both airports in the summer and dips in winter. However Manchester's cycle is more extreme. It always carries more than Stansted in summer and always carries less in winter. However the rolling total includes one of every month, ie one January, one February, one March etc. Every time the new monthly stats come out the previous year's same month drops out of the total. For example June 2005 has just replaced June 2004. Stansted's growth from June 2004 to June 2005 was higher than Manchester's both in percentage terms and in absolute numbers.
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Old July 17th, 2005, 10:30 PM   #7
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Manchester Airport claim they predict a full year total of 22.7million. Stanstead currently only planning restrictions with a cap of 25million. Manchester is currently constructing a terminal 2 extension along with terminal 1 and 3 modifications and apron extension. This will bring the capacity up to 35million. So in the long term, I would expect MAN to remain at #3 or even #2 in the longer term. It just needs to attract more long haul carriers and BA and BMI need to add some asian and african routes to there destinations.
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Old July 17th, 2005, 10:42 PM   #8
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Airport Set For Expansion

03/06/2005


Work has begun on a multi-million pound development scheme to increase the capacity of Manchester Airport by 11 million passengers a year, as passenger numbers continue to soar.

This week, Manchester achieved 22 million passengers a year, just 14 months after it celebrated the 20 million mark. The airport’s master plan identified this milestone as the point at which the airport needs to increase its capacity to be able to continue to grow.

Several major expansion projects are now being kick started. These include:

Terminal 2 Phase 2, the multi-million pound project that will see the capacity of Terminal 2 more than double from its current 7 million to 18 million passengers per year begins this month

The airport is also investing in the airfield, with additional apron capacity around Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 to provide the equivalent of six wide-body or 12 narrow-body aircraft stands

Over 49 new check-in desks across the airport. Twenty-two in Terminal 1, 15 in ‘The Station’ and 12 in Terminal 2.

By 2015, the number of passengers flying from Manchester is set to double to around 40 million every year – nine million more passengers than Gatwick Airport currently handles.

The Department for Transport has said it expects regional airports to grow more rapidly than those in the South East, where the air travel market is more mature. Regional airports like Manchester can flourish as airlines look to operate more point-to-point services using smaller aircraft. This is supported by statistics released earlier this year by the Civil Aviation Authority, which showed that in 2004, Manchester grew faster than both Heathrow and Gatwick.

John Spooner, managing director of Manchester Airport, said: “We have been planning the expansion announced today for a number of years.

“The airport has grown rapidly over that time, with more airlines launching more new routes than ever before.

“By investing in these major expansion projects within the current airport site, and making enhancements to the existing infrastructure, we will be able to accommodate the expected growth and provide a firm foundation for the future.”

Neil Fountain, Chief Executive of MIDAS, Manchester's Investment Agency, said: "This is excellent news for the entire Manchester city-region. Manchester Airport is one of the most important drivers for economic and business growth and this expansion programme will bring benefits far beyond the value of the capital investment involved, through direct job creation and the benefits of new routes.

"The investment will further increase the visibility and status of Manchester in the eyes of the international business community, showcasing the wide range of opportunities for business success and the locational advantages that Manchester offers to companies from around the globe."

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Stansted will probably remain ahead of Manchester until the end of the year. The restrictions can be lifted before Stansted reaches 25 million. Stansted has recently extended its lovely Norman Foster designed terminal and there are plans for the first of three new runways in the SE to be added to Stansted. Indeed Stansted may get all three and eventually overtake Heathrow as the UK's number 1. Stansted is the primary hub of the world's fastest growing airlines (EasyJet and Ryanair) and is opening long haul routes too.
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No you said this which is completely wrong:Manchester's growth in absolute terms was smaller - not higher. Stansted added more new passengers in June 2005 compared to June 2004 than Manchester. Manchester did not not to start to catch up again. It fell further behind.

Let me explain: Manchester is more of a bucket-and-spade airport with a lot of charter flights in the summer. Stansted is the world's leading budget aviation hub. They are scheduled flights. Obviously traffic goes up for both airports in the summer and dips in winter. However Manchester's cycle is more extreme. It always carries more than Stansted in summer and always carries less in winter. However the rolling total includes one of every month, ie one January, one February, one March etc. Every time the new monthly stats come out the previous year's same month drops out of the total. For example June 2005 has just replaced June 2004. Stansted's growth from June 2004 to June 2005 was higher than Manchester's both in percentage terms and in absolute numbers.
What are you on Monkey? Can I have some?

Manchester passengers this month: 2,233,667
Stansted passengers this month: 2,011,295

That is a larger gap than there was this month last year. As I said, MAN fell behind quite a bit for the last two months, meaning it's rolling figures dropped as you observed, but this month MAN increased the gap from what it was for June last year, meaning we recovered the rolling figures slightly. Also, if July and August figures show the same gap, MAN should overtake Stansted again (albeit temporarily).

The simple fact is that Government whitepapers target greater growth in the northern airports than in London.
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Stansted will probably remain ahead of Manchester until the end of the year. The restrictions can be lifted before Stansted reaches 25 million. Stansted has recently extended its lovely Norman Foster designed terminal and there are plans for the first of three new runways in the SE to be added to Stansted. Indeed Stansted may get all three and eventually overtake Heathrow as the UK's number 1. Stansted is the primary hub of the world's fastest growing airlines (EasyJet and Ryanair) and is opening long haul routes too.
Manchester already has two very large runways, the same as Heathrow at present.

Whether Stansted gets all three runways is a matter of debate with local groups not happy with the prospect of a second never mind a third runway.

The Heathrow third runway expansion has also been controversial and there has been no firm decision made in repect of any major expansion of Gatwick.

If Stansted was to get all three runways and an expansion of Gatwick was rejected then both Stansted and Manchester may well over take Gatwick in terms of capacity.
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Old July 17th, 2005, 11:53 PM   #12
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What are you on Monkey? Can I have some?

Manchester passengers this month: 2,233,667
Stansted passengers this month: 2,011,295

That is a larger gap than there was this month last year. As I said, MAN fell behind quite a bit for the last two months, meaning it's rolling figures dropped as you observed, but this month MAN increased the gap from what it was for June last year, meaning we recovered the rolling figures slightly. Also, if July and August figures show the same gap, MAN should overtake Stansted again (albeit temporarily).

The simple fact is that Government whitepapers target greater growth in the northern airports than in London.
No EarlyBird.

Total passengers June last year:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...ransit_Pax.pdf
- Stansted = 1,842,358
- Manchester = 2,111,314


Total passengers June this year:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 2,011,295
- Manchester = 2,233,267


Growth in absolute passenger numbers from June 2004 to June 2005:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 168,937
- Manchester = 121,953


Percentage growth in passengers from June 2004 to June 2005:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 9.2%
- Manchester = 5.8%


Of course Manchester fell further behind. How on earth could Stansted overtake Manchester this month if it didn't have higher growth from June 2004 to June 2005? It's only the June figures that change from the previous month's figure (may 2005). All the other months are the same as they were in last month's stats - which still put Manchester ahead.

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Why does Heathrow have only two runways, yet can serve so many passengers, while Stanstead needs three? Many airports in North America have so many (Chicago O'Hare is planning a fifth.
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Stansted will probably remain ahead of Manchester until the end of the year. The restrictions can be lifted before Stansted reaches 25 million. Stansted has recently extended its lovely Norman Foster designed terminal and there are plans for the first of three new runways in the SE to be added to Stansted. Indeed Stansted may get all three and eventually overtake Heathrow as the UK's number 1. Stansted is the primary hub of the world's fastest growing airlines (EasyJet and Ryanair) and is opening long haul routes too.

What was the extention to Stansted's terminal? I use Stansted quite regularly and as I recall there have been no major works since it first opened except for the access road?
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Manchester already has two very large runways, the same as Heathrow at present.

Whether Stansted gets all three runways is a matter of debate with local groups not happy with the prospect of a second never mind a third runway.

The Heathrow third runway expansion has also been controversial and there has been no firm decision made in repect of any major expansion of Gatwick.

If Stansted was to get all three runways and an expansion of Gatwick was rejected then both Stansted and Manchester may well over take Gatwick in terms of capacity.
Gatwick handles 32 million pax pa with one runway. All Stansted needs to do is add the proposed new runway before either get close to the 32 million mark. The government target is for three new runways in the SE. Stansted will likely get the first and Heathrow the seond or else all will go to Stansted.
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Heathrow needs three runways, it handles so many passengers because it has four passsenger terminals (terminal five is under construction) and it handles many long haul flights using generally higher capacity aircraft.
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This happened briefly before but as the month porgressed and the figures were revised Manchester came out slightly ahead. Then Manchester's lead over Stansted actually grew over the winter months. Now as we get the summer results it's Stansted's turn to definitively take the lead.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf

Terminal Passengers Annual Rolling Total to June 2005
- Stansted = 21,580,666
- Manchester = 21,559,786
Hee hee ! Not very good at counting are we ! Manchester's rolling total is in excess of 22 million.

Manchester passengers for June 2005: 2,233,667
Stansted passengers for June: 2,011,295.

The gap is getting on for nearly a quarter of a million passengers in Manchester's favour, I can only see the gap getting bigger as Manchester gets more diverse routes and destinations as well as more low cost airlines.

I have flown from both airports, Stanstead is a horrible airport it's even worse than LBIA but not quite as bad as Liverpool Airport. Manchester feels like a true international airport on the other hand Stanstead feels like one big gateway for the chavs and single mums on a trip to Alicante or Ibiza for a P1ss up.
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Hee hee ! Not very good at counting are we ! Manchester's rolling total is in excess of 22 million.

Manchester passengers for June 2005: 2,233,667
Stansted passengers for June: 2,011,295.

The gap is getting on for nearly a quarter of a million passengers in Manchester's favour, I can only see the gap getting bigger as Manchester gets more diverse routes and destinations as well as more low cost airlines.
Oh dear. Another one with weak maths and logic....

Manchester's growth in absolute terms was smaller - not higher. Stansted added more new passengers in June 2005 compared to June 2004 than Manchester. Manchester did not not to start to catch up again. It fell further behind.

Let me explain: Manchester is more of a bucket-and-spade airport with a lot of charter flights in the summer. Stansted is the world's leading budget aviation hub. They are scheduled flights. Obviously traffic goes up for both airports in the summer and dips in winter. However Manchester's cycle is more extreme. It always carries more than Stansted in summer and always carries less in winter. However the rolling total includes one of every month, ie one January, one February, one March etc. Every time the new monthly stats come out the previous year's same month drops out of the total. For example June 2005 has just replaced June 2004. Stansted's growth from June 2004 to June 2005 was higher than Manchester's both in percentage terms and in absolute numbers.


Total passengers June last year:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...ransit_Pax.pdf
- Stansted = 1,842,358
- Manchester = 2,111,314


Total Passengers June this year:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 2,011,295
- Manchester = 2,233,267


Growth in absolute passenger numbers from June 2004 to June 2005:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 168,937
- Manchester = 121,953


Percentage growth in passengers from June 2004 to June 2005:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...Statistics.pdf
- Stansted = 9.2%
- Manchester = 5.8%


Of course Manchester fell further behind. How on earth could Stansted overtake Manchester this month if it didn't have higher growth from June 2004 to June 2005? It's only the June figures that change from the previous month's figure (May 2005). All the other months are the same as they were in last month's stats which still put Manchester ahead.
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I have flown from both airports, Stanstead is a horrible airport it's even worse than LBIA but not quite as bad as Liverpool Airport. Manchester feels like a true international airport on the other hand Stanstead feels like one big gateway for the chavs and single mums on a trip to Alicante or Ibiza for a P1ss up.
Until the completion of Richard Roger's stunning Heathrow Terminal 5, Norman Foster's Stansted has the best airport architecture in the UK. Actually Manchester has more bucket-and-spade charter flights than Stansted. Almost all of Stansted's traffic is scheduled. The entire city of Manchester feels like a chav zone on weekend nights.




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It loks pretty cool, it's likely that I'll have a chance to use it for the first time in September or October (my forst flight with RyanAir!)
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