London Stansted overtakes Manchester as the UK's third busiest airport!! - Page 17

Rational Plan · August 27th, 2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Miles Platting

I want you to carefully look at the title (and originator) of this thread and tell me if it's not a wind-up or at least mischievous or provocative against Mancunians.
That's all......

I never said it wasn't. But if everyone could resist to the urge to shout 'bundle' and go charging to the barricades then these sort of things would die out.

Look I've got a good friend who used to love having pointless arguments. He'd adop a position and defend it the death, even if he did not believe it anyway. It was not until I reached an epiphany over what was really going on that I changed my whole approach. We were having an argument over the BA tail designs (from the Mid 90's). Suddenly I realised, what the fuck, he's never given the impression of being that patriotic, why does he care about whether BA drops the Union Jack. From that point on I just said 'Yes your right', 'I totally agree'. I did spoil his fun.

Now what ever Nicks or Monkeys motivation, if you don't rise to the bait then the view or opinion you find objectionable will just fade away from lack of interest.

If the figures quoted are correct then Manchester is no longer the third largest airport. Well big deal it should not matter in the end. I don't know who started this off in the first place, but this argument has been going on at least a year on this site.

I just sometimes feel that this site sometimes degenerates into a North South fight, which is just so tiresome. If you weren't so ready for a fight, the tag line Stansted overtakes Manchester airport should not be so emotive.
Mind you Airport Passenger Numbers, Monthly Stats would be more diplomatic.

I really should stay out of this, as I don't wan't to be dragged into it. But sometimes you know you should not pick at that scab. But you just can't help yourself.

kids · August 27th, 2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey

There you go again! Boom boom!!

ah, if you only had the wit.

london-b · August 27th, 2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kids in the riot

ah, if you only had the wit.

You two make me sick

woody · August 28th, 2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey

Q: What's the greatest sight in Manchester?

A: The fast train to London....

As a scouser living 20 minutes away from Manchester Airport, I find all this Manc v London fight very amusing. I would prefer to fly from one of europes fastest growing airports Liverpool John Lennon

Which ever airport is number 3 does`nt matter to me , Manchester is the principle airport for northern England and IMO one of the best I have used, access, parking and terminal facilities, it up there with the worlds finest, so who gives a hoot , not me

Gareth · August 31st, 2005, 05:10 PM

I enjoyed that a lot.

Cheers guys.

Pobbie · September 1st, 2005, 02:55 AM

Good God, look at this farce of a thread. It may surprise some of you that nobody really gives a flying shit about airport statistics. As long as the planes aren't falling out of the sky, anyway.

Jerv · September 2nd, 2005, 12:13 AM

^ Interesting, very interesting.

It may surprise you that some people couldn't give a flying fuck about who "the rumours" are. Have they got a message board or guest book so that I can inform them of that?

Monkey · September 2nd, 2005, 02:52 AM

The June stats are no longer provisional - they're confirmed and officially endoresed by the CAA. Luton is growing at 23% and will soon overtake Birmingham and Glasgow so that four out of Britain's top five airports will be London airports.

Pobbie · September 2nd, 2005, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerv

^ Interesting, very interesting.

It may surprise you that some people couldn't give a flying fuck about who "the rumours" are. Have they got a message board or guest book so that I can inform them of that?

Yes, go right ahead.

BTW, I say it all in jest. There's nothing wrong with debating airport statistics, but it's hardly something to get worked up about either.

Jerv · September 2nd, 2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pobbie Rarr

Yes, go right ahead.

BTW, I say it all in jest. There's nothing wrong with debating airport statistics, but it's hardly something to get worked up about either.

Fairy's muff

SleepyOne · September 2nd, 2005, 05:46 PM

Tesco Superstore

Stansted Airport

Monkey · September 2nd, 2005, 06:12 PM

^

Manchester Airport to build new chimney stack skyline
http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/cont...y_stacks.shtml

Manchester Airport today unveiled plans for five 90m tall chimney stacks in a bid to gain worldwide recognition. Developed in partnership with Manchester City Hall, the Manchester Tourism Board, and private sponsors, the chimneys are planned as part of the 2005-2105 "Manchester Lives!" urban regeneration plan.

Commenting on the project, Bob Stack, chairman of the Manchester Airports Group, said, "This is a great day for Manchester. Manchester is a city with an industrial character and soul. Brick chimneys are what we are all about. Chimneys put Manchester on the map and made the city the workshop of the world. Now they have become the symbol of our city. Visitors will arrive from overseas and the first thing they'll see will be brick chimneys."

The decision to build chimneys came after a drawn out selection process sponsored by Boddington's and the Manchester Evening News. Artists and architects were invited to submit plans to be put before a selection committee chaired by Stack.

"There was a fantastic response. The range of proposals was astounding. Many celebrated Manchester’s rich industrial heritage and the committee felt that the popularity of such ideas should be reflected in the final choice."

"Cotton Mill International"

Imaginative proposals included a huge flat cap on the control tower (rejected as a fire risk), an interactive steel furnace "exhibit" in Departures, and one simply involved renaming the airport "Cotton Mill International". Jane Slagheap, author of the latter proposal explained:

"With Liverpool naming their airport after John Lennon we felt it necessary to come up with a name reflecting our own sense of history and identity. Originally we thought of "Liam Gallagher International" after the Oasis frontman. However we soon concluded that this idea, like the band itself, was a somewhat naff copy of Liverpool's, so we kept looking for an original alternative reflecting our own unique identity. I think we got it right. After all what really put Manchester on the map was not Oasis but the cotton mills!"

Though not the winning entry, Jane hopes her shortlisted proposal will be adopted in addition to the new chimneys.

The chimneys themselves will rise 90m above the drab Manchester skyline. The original proposal was for three chimneys at 150m but the CAA ruled that it would infringe airport safety regulations to have such tall structures so close to the runway. The designers, Salford architectural practice Mills & Grimm, were sent back to the drawing board, reducing the height of their chimneys but adding an extra two.

"What we have is the perfect compromise" Mills enthused. "I grew up above the chippy on Vinegar Street, right in the heart of factory land. For me brick chimneys define the Manchester experience and we are thrilled to be giving something back to our city."

Belching smoke

Grimm emphasised that the chimneys would not be static repetitive museum pieces:

"We studied chimney design across the city, including stacks no longer standing from old photographs. Each chimney will be subtly different whilst still forming a cohesive cluster. We want everything to look right - the stacks will use second-hand blackened brick. We even had the idea of bricking up the control tower as well but eventually dropped that on grounds of cost. The tower is brick anyway, albeit somewhat redder than what we would have preferred."

"….instead of making a static architectural statement we wanted to recall the atmosphere of Manchester itself. To that end we'll have the chimneys belching smoke 24/7 using traditional coal furnaces at the base of each shaft. These days most coal produced in the UK is the highly refined smokeless kind. We will have to import smoking coals from Poland! How times have changed…."

However the plans are not universally popular. The BBC conducted a nationwide poll and message board on the shortlisted proposals. Samantha Snoote from Tunbridge Wells was unimpressed by any of them:

"Why couldn't they have chosen something more elegant? I thought an opera duet to welcome passengers in Arrivals would have been splendid. If they wanted to do something more "Northern" they could have had one of those charming traditional brass bands. That’s the trouble with Northerners, they drink too much beer and don't get enough polenta…."

The chimneys are expected to cost £12.4m of money funded jointly from the National Lottery and Northern Heritage Association. Work will commence next September and the chimneys are due to complete in June 2006.

Sir Miles Platting · September 2nd, 2005, 06:32 PM

....not much work on today then, Monkey?......

jrb · September 2nd, 2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey

The June stats are no longer provisional - they're confirmed and officially endoresed by the CAA. Luton is growing at 23% and will soon overtake Birmingham and Glasgow so that four out of Britain's top five airports will be London airports.

Monkey!

At a guess, I'd say 75-90% of the flights from Stainstead are no frills!

Thats impressive! Blows Manchester International away!

Ps! Is it true you get a pair of white Stilettos every time you use Stainstead?

Monkey · September 2nd, 2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Miles Platting

....not much work on today then, Monkey?......

It's just a question of copy and paste - for Sleepyone as well as me.

Monkey · September 2nd, 2005, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrb

Monkey!

At a guess, I'd say 75-90% of the flights from Stainstead are no frills!

Thats impressive! Blows Manchester International away!

Ps! Is it true you get a pair of white Stilettos every time you use Stainstead?

No stilettos are frills. There are therefore few stilettos at Stansted which is a shame because stilettos are very sexy on a girl with long slim legs.

Awayo · September 2nd, 2005, 07:47 PM

Spunkynuts, why is it so important to you that London has the third busiest airport in the UK, rather than Manchester, as well as the first and second? This is your thread after all.

Monkey · September 2nd, 2005, 09:24 PM

^ It was delightful vindication. I said this was going to happen ages ago but the Mancs poured water on the idea saying that budget airlines were a bubble about to burst etc etc. They have been proven spectacularly wrong. I maintain the EasyJet and Ryanair threads for the same reason. Hopefully the UK version of that thread will be restored at some point. Perhaps I should pressurise the mods to get it back. The hacker was ages ago now. In general I find some of the Manc forumers here by turns comic and tragic. They need a good kick up the arse.

Pobbie · September 2nd, 2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerv

Fairy's muff

Indeed.

Monkey · September 10th, 2005, 02:06 AM

I copied this from GregPZ's thread in the aviation section here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=241787

Top 35 Cities (All Airports)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

These stats include all airports within a metro. (eg Sao Paulo includes GRU & CGH) These are 2004 passenger figures, the figures in brackets are from 2002.

1 London 128.9 million (117.1)
2 Chicago 94.9 (83.4)
3 New York 93.9 (79.1)
4 Tokyo 93.4 (90.0)
5 Los Angeles 85.6 (77.2)
6 Atlanta 83.6 (76.9)
7 Paris 76.7 (72.1)
8 Dallas 65.3 (58.5)
9 Washington 59.4 (49.0)
10 San Francisco 57.4 (55.3)
11 Frankfurt 53.9 (49.9)
12 Miami 51.0 (47.1)
13 Houston 44.9 (42.1)
14 Amsterdam 42.5 (40.7)
15 Denver 42.4 (35.7)
16 Las Vegas 42.1 (35.4)
17 Phoenix 39.5 (35.5)
18 Seoul 39.1 (38.2)
19 Madrid 38.7 (33.9)
20 Bangkok 38.0 (32.2)
21 Hong Kong 36.7 (33.9)
22 Minneapolis/St Paul 36.7 (32.6)
23 Shanghai 36.0 (25.0)
24 Detroit 35.2 (32.4)
25 Beijing 34.9 (27.2)
26 Osaka 34.4 (NA)
27 Orlando 31.1 (26.7)
28 Philadelphia 30.9 (24.5)
29 Milan 30.8 (26.5)
30 Rome 30.6 (26.2)
31 Singapore 30.4 (29.0)
32 Seattle 28.8 (26.7)
33 Toronto 28.7 (25.9)
34 Sao Paulo 27.6 (NA)
35 Moscow 27.5 (20.7)

August 31st, 2005, 05:10 PM	#325
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September 1st, 2005, 02:55 AM	#326
Pobbie BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Somewhere Posts: 8,205 Likes (Received): 20	Good God, look at this farce of a thread. It may surprise some of you that nobody really gives a flying shit about airport statistics. As long as the planes aren't falling out of the sky, anyway.

September 2nd, 2005, 12:13 AM	#327
Jerv Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,056 Likes (Received): 0	^ Interesting, very interesting. It may surprise you that some people couldn't give a flying fuck about who "the rumours" are. Have they got a message board or guest book so that I can inform them of that?

September 2nd, 2005, 02:52 AM	#328
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,549 Likes (Received): 2	The June stats are no longer provisional - they're confirmed and officially endoresed by the CAA. Luton is growing at 23% and will soon overtake Birmingham and Glasgow so that four out of Britain's top five airports will be London airports.

September 2nd, 2005, 05:46 PM	#331
SleepyOne Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,091 Likes (Received): 0	Tesco Superstore Stansted Airport

September 2nd, 2005, 06:12 PM	#332
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,549 Likes (Received): 2	^ Manchester Airport to build new chimney stack skyline http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/cont...y_stacks.shtml Manchester Airport today unveiled plans for five 90m tall chimney stacks in a bid to gain worldwide recognition. Developed in partnership with Manchester City Hall, the Manchester Tourism Board, and private sponsors, the chimneys are planned as part of the 2005-2105 "Manchester Lives!" urban regeneration plan. Commenting on the project, Bob Stack, chairman of the Manchester Airports Group, said, "This is a great day for Manchester. Manchester is a city with an industrial character and soul. Brick chimneys are what we are all about. Chimneys put Manchester on the map and made the city the workshop of the world. Now they have become the symbol of our city. Visitors will arrive from overseas and the first thing they'll see will be brick chimneys." The decision to build chimneys came after a drawn out selection process sponsored by Boddington's and the Manchester Evening News. Artists and architects were invited to submit plans to be put before a selection committee chaired by Stack. "There was a fantastic response. The range of proposals was astounding. Many celebrated Manchester’s rich industrial heritage and the committee felt that the popularity of such ideas should be reflected in the final choice." "Cotton Mill International" Imaginative proposals included a huge flat cap on the control tower (rejected as a fire risk), an interactive steel furnace "exhibit" in Departures, and one simply involved renaming the airport "Cotton Mill International". Jane Slagheap, author of the latter proposal explained: "With Liverpool naming their airport after John Lennon we felt it necessary to come up with a name reflecting our own sense of history and identity. Originally we thought of "Liam Gallagher International" after the Oasis frontman. However we soon concluded that this idea, like the band itself, was a somewhat naff copy of Liverpool's, so we kept looking for an original alternative reflecting our own unique identity. I think we got it right. After all what really put Manchester on the map was not Oasis but the cotton mills!" Though not the winning entry, Jane hopes her shortlisted proposal will be adopted in addition to the new chimneys. The chimneys themselves will rise 90m above the drab Manchester skyline. The original proposal was for three chimneys at 150m but the CAA ruled that it would infringe airport safety regulations to have such tall structures so close to the runway. The designers, Salford architectural practice Mills & Grimm, were sent back to the drawing board, reducing the height of their chimneys but adding an extra two. "What we have is the perfect compromise" Mills enthused. "I grew up above the chippy on Vinegar Street, right in the heart of factory land. For me brick chimneys define the Manchester experience and we are thrilled to be giving something back to our city." Belching smoke Grimm emphasised that the chimneys would not be static repetitive museum pieces: "We studied chimney design across the city, including stacks no longer standing from old photographs. Each chimney will be subtly different whilst still forming a cohesive cluster. We want everything to look right - the stacks will use second-hand blackened brick. We even had the idea of bricking up the control tower as well but eventually dropped that on grounds of cost. The tower is brick anyway, albeit somewhat redder than what we would have preferred." "….instead of making a static architectural statement we wanted to recall the atmosphere of Manchester itself. To that end we'll have the chimneys belching smoke 24/7 using traditional coal furnaces at the base of each shaft. These days most coal produced in the UK is the highly refined smokeless kind. We will have to import smoking coals from Poland! How times have changed…." However the plans are not universally popular. The BBC conducted a nationwide poll and message board on the shortlisted proposals. Samantha Snoote from Tunbridge Wells was unimpressed by any of them: "Why couldn't they have chosen something more elegant? I thought an opera duet to welcome passengers in Arrivals would have been splendid. If they wanted to do something more "Northern" they could have had one of those charming traditional brass bands. That’s the trouble with Northerners, they drink too much beer and don't get enough polenta…." The chimneys are expected to cost £12.4m of money funded jointly from the National Lottery and Northern Heritage Association. Work will commence next September and the chimneys are due to complete in June 2006.

September 2nd, 2005, 06:32 PM	#333
Sir Miles Platting Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,912 Likes (Received): 4	....not much work on today then, Monkey?......

September 2nd, 2005, 07:47 PM	#337
Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spacefor5cabs Posts: 14,136 Likes (Received): 145	Spunkynuts, why is it so important to you that London has the third busiest airport in the UK, rather than Manchester, as well as the first and second? This is your thread after all.

September 2nd, 2005, 09:24 PM	#338
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,549 Likes (Received): 2	^ It was delightful vindication. I said this was going to happen ages ago but the Mancs poured water on the idea saying that budget airlines were a bubble about to burst etc etc. They have been proven spectacularly wrong. I maintain the EasyJet and Ryanair threads for the same reason. Hopefully the UK version of that thread will be restored at some point. Perhaps I should pressurise the mods to get it back. The hacker was ages ago now. In general I find some of the Manc forumers here by turns comic and tragic. They need a good kick up the arse.

September 10th, 2005, 02:06 AM	#340
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,549 Likes (Received): 2	I copied this from GregPZ's thread in the aviation section here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=241787 Top 35 Cities (All Airports) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These stats include all airports within a metro. (eg Sao Paulo includes GRU & CGH) These are 2004 passenger figures, the figures in brackets are from 2002. 1 London 128.9 million (117.1) 2 Chicago 94.9 (83.4) 3 New York 93.9 (79.1) 4 Tokyo 93.4 (90.0) 5 Los Angeles 85.6 (77.2) 6 Atlanta 83.6 (76.9) 7 Paris 76.7 (72.1) 8 Dallas 65.3 (58.5) 9 Washington 59.4 (49.0) 10 San Francisco 57.4 (55.3) 11 Frankfurt 53.9 (49.9) 12 Miami 51.0 (47.1) 13 Houston 44.9 (42.1) 14 Amsterdam 42.5 (40.7) 15 Denver 42.4 (35.7) 16 Las Vegas 42.1 (35.4) 17 Phoenix 39.5 (35.5) 18 Seoul 39.1 (38.2) 19 Madrid 38.7 (33.9) 20 Bangkok 38.0 (32.2) 21 Hong Kong 36.7 (33.9) 22 Minneapolis/St Paul 36.7 (32.6) 23 Shanghai 36.0 (25.0) 24 Detroit 35.2 (32.4) 25 Beijing 34.9 (27.2) 26 Osaka 34.4 (NA) 27 Orlando 31.1 (26.7) 28 Philadelphia 30.9 (24.5) 29 Milan 30.8 (26.5) 30 Rome 30.6 (26.2) 31 Singapore 30.4 (29.0) 32 Seattle 28.8 (26.7) 33 Toronto 28.7 (25.9) 34 Sao Paulo 27.6 (NA) 35 Moscow 27.5 (20.7)