Poor Paris.... [cont.]

[nick_taylor]

I managed to keep my old replies from this thread in a txt document so here is the points that I'mBack tried to make and I have disproven:

Originally Posted by I'mBack

1) the frequency is much lower than RER, in particular RER A & RER B

To sort this out once and for all I took the timetables between 08.00 and 0.900 - the peak hour of when everyone is off to work. I took all the RER lines including Thameslink and took a central station, eg Chatelet Les Halles (RER A, B + D), St-Michel Notre-Dame (RER C) Haussmann St Lazare (RER E) and Kings Cross (Thameslink).

RER Line A:
8.01 - 8.05 - 8.08 - 8.11 - 8.14 - 8.17 - 8.20 - 8.23 - 8.26 - 8.29 - 8.32 - 8.35 - 8.38 - 8.41 - 8.44 - 8.47 - 8.50 - 8.53 - 8.56 - 8.59

Thameslink:
8.00 - 8.04 - 8.08 - 8.12 - 8.16 - 8.20 - 8.24 - 8.28 - 8.32 - 8.36 - 8.40 - 8.44 - 8.48 - 8.52 - 8.56 - 9.00

RER Line B:
8.05 - 8.08 - 8.11 - 8.14 - 8.20 - 8.23 - 8.26 - 8.29 - 8.35 - 8.38 - 8.41 - 8.44 - 8.50 - 8.53 - 8.56 - 8.59

RER Line C:
8.02 - 8.07 - 8.09 - 8.12 - 8.17 - 8.23 - 8.27 - 8.32 - 8.37 - 8.39 - 8.42 - 8.47 - 8.53 - 8.57

RER Line E:
8.01 - 8.07 - 8.10 - 8.16 - 8.22 - 8.25 - 8.31 - 8.37 - 8.40 - 8.46 - 8.52 - 8.55

RER Line D:
8.04 - 8.07 - 8.19 - 8.22 - 8.34 - 8.37 - 8.49




Number of trains between rush hour (0800 - 0900)
RER Line A - 20
Thameslink - 16
RER Line B - 16
RER Line C - 14
RER Line E - 12
RER Line D - 7




Train frequencies between rush hour (0800 - 0900)
RER Line A - 3mins
Thameslink - 3mins 45secs
RER Line B - 3mins 45secs
RER Line C - 4mins 25secs
RER Line E - 5mins
RER Line D - 8mins 30secs




Conclusion: Thameslink has rush hour frequencies greater than those of RER Lines C, E and D. It also has equal frequencies to that of RER Line B. Only RER Line A has higher frequencies than Thameslink. I should note when Crossrail is finished it will have a rush hour frequency of 24 - 8 more than Thameslink and 4 more than RER Line A (or one Crossrail train ever 2mins 30secs). [In addition] Thameslink by around 2010 will have finished upgrading to 24tph - comparable to Crossrail and higher frequencies than any of the RER lines in Paris.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

2) Thameslink is not as connected to the tube network as the RER lines are

Taking a list of all stations that are connected to the Paris Metro and London Underground at interchange stations on all RER and Thameslink lines.

RER Line C
Porte de Clichy, Peteire, Porte Malliot, Avenue Foch, Avenue Henri Martin, Boulainvilliers, Boulevard Victor, Javel, Champ de Mars Tour Eiffel, Pont de l'Alma, Invalides, Musee d'Orsay, St Michel Notre Dame, Gare d'Austerlitz + Bibliotheque Francois Mitterand

Thameslink
West Hampstead, Kentish Town, Kings Cross, Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, Blackfriars, London Bridge, Elephant & Castle + Wimbledon

RER A Line A
La Defense, Charles de Gaulle Etoile, Auber, Chatelet Les Halles, Gare de Lyon + Nation

RER Line B
Gare du Nord, Chatelet Les Halles, St Michel Notre Dame + Denfert Rochereau

RER Line D
Gare du Nord, Chatelet Les Halles + Gare de Lyon

RER Line E
Haussmann St-Lazare + Gare du Nord




Ranking of number of connections
RER Line C - 14 Paris Metro connections
Thameslink - 10 London Underground connections
RER Line A - 6 Paris Metro connections
RER Line B - 4 Paris Metro connections
RER Line D - 3 Paris Metro connections
RER Line E - 2 Paris Metro connections




Conclusion: Thameslink ranks 2nd in terms of number of underground rail connections and has more connections than either RER Line A, B, D and E or equivalent to that of lines A + B combined. These connections also tend to be within distance and don't require much angst. Kings Cross Thameslink station which is currently the most disconnected (but still connected) station to the London Underground is currently in the process of being moved so that it is right under Kings Cross St Pancras rail termini and the London Undgeround ticket halls. Infact once this station is built, the entire network will be able to use longer rolling stock and move up to rush hour frequencies of 24 tph - higher than any RER Line. The project will be completed in around 2008.







Also for your information the current Thameslink is still being expanded and this will be the actual network once Thameslink 2000 is completed (note: this has nothing to do with the operation of Crossrail , Crossrail 2 or Crossrail 3) in 2010:

[Medo]

LOL!! Well done nick-taylor

[nick_taylor]

I do it with all my large posts now....I've learned that my laptop can cut out at anytime, SCC goes up the shoot or something else happens that looses all the work that I have typed up. So now I copy and paste all the text from SCC into notepad and then work from then on. Also looks less noticable at work. I now have an archive of some several hundred such posts. Works well especially for picture threads and at the end of the day its all about efficiency and disaster planning

[EarlyBird]

Now lets see what ridiculous "arguments" I'mBack comes out with!

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by nick-taylor

....at the end of the day its all about efficiency and disaster planning

....not to mention troll bashing.

[I'mBack]

I got as well saved my previous reply

It's a pity having lost all the other replies: at the least your humiliation is not going to be as big as it should be; Monkey you are lucky too as after the several bulls**t of your last posts, I think it's better for you everything got deleted .

Originally Posted by nick-taylor

I don't have time to answer your other 'point's, but I did concentrate on debunking your points that Thameslink was not comparable to the RER. What will be your next argument to try and say otherwise?

You are big loser!!

You dont have time or you are just avoiding another BIG humiliation??

Originally Posted by nick-taylor

To sort this out once and for all I took the timetables between 08.00 and 0.900 - the peak hour of when everyone is off to work. I took all the RER lines including Thameslink and took a central station, eg Chatelet Les Halles (RER A, B + D), St-Michel Notre-Dame (RER C) Haussmann St Lazare (RER E) and Kings Cross (Thameslink).

But did you read my post? Why do you keep posting only the frequency of KingX stn??
As per my previous posts NOT all the train stopping at KingX desserve all the stns ... while the RER trains stop at all the station and the frequency along all the networks, within the first 3 zones, it's the same!!

So as I asked you 3 times to quote any other frequency other than kingX, I decided to get it by myself:

LoughboroughJCT stn (zone 2) (Elephant&Castle ZONE 1!! has the same frequency!!)

7.31 - 7.48 - 7.57 - 8.15 - 8.25 - 8.31 - 8.56

WOW that's what you call a 4 minutes frequency??



And what about this one:

Kentish town (zone 2)

7.42 - 8.12 -8.28 -8.42 !!!
and this one

St Pancras (zone 1)

7.30 - 8.00 - 8.25 - 8.30 WOW!!!


And now let's check any station within the first 3 zones of RER A on the same time:
La Defense:
7.30 - 7.33 - 7.37 - 7.40 - 7.44 - 7.47 - 7.51 - 7.55 - 7.58 - 8.02 - 8.05 -


I want to "trust" the timetable you hv provided:

Originally Posted by nick-taylor

RER Line B:
8.05 - 8.08 - 8.11 - 8.14 - 8.20 - 8.23 - 8.26 - 8.29 - 8.35 - 8.38 - 8.41 - 8.44 - 8.50 - 8.53 - 8.56 - 8.59

RER Line C:
8.02 - 8.07 - 8.09 - 8.12 - 8.17 - 8.23 - 8.27 - 8.32 - 8.37 - 8.39 - 8.42 - 8.47 - 8.53 - 8.57

RER Line E:
8.01 - 8.07 - 8.10 - 8.16 - 8.22 - 8.25 - 8.31 - 8.37 - 8.40 - 8.46 - 8.52 - 8.55

RER Line D:
8.04 - 8.07 - 8.19 - 8.22 - 8.34 - 8.37 - 8.49

SO CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW???

Well now I understand you prefered avoiding answering my question and you didn't provide the frequency of other stations other than KingX and Farrington (which again not all the trains from/to those stns deserve all the other stations of the network)

Originally Posted by nick-taylor

Conclusion:[/size] Thameslink has rush hour frequencies greater than those of RER Lines C, E and D. It also has equal frequencies to that of RER Line B. Only RER Line A has higher frequencies than Thameslink.

I should note when Crossrail is finished it will have a rush hour frequency of 24 - 8 more than Thameslink and 4 more than RER Line A (or one train ever 2mins 30secs).

yeah sure!! We will see when this "crossrail" is finished!

Again:

1) it's clear you dont know the RER network!

2) you never used the T.link and you are coming up with some really weak claims, or better .... "little stories"!!


Btw just to remind, or better to show you the RER network

[VansTripp]

I have said toobad to Paris.

[Tubeman]

Originally Posted by I'mBack

I got as well saved my previous reply

It's a pity having lost all the other replies: at the least your humiliation is not going to be as big as it should be; Monkey you are lucky too as after the several bulls**t of your last posts, I think it's better for you everything got deleted .



You are big loser!!

You dont have time or you are just avoiding another BIG humiliation??




But did you read my post? Why do you keep posting only the frequency of KingX stn??
As per my previous posts NOT all the train stopping at KingX desserve all the stns ... while the RER trains stop at all the station and the frequency along all the networks, within the first 3 zones, it's the same!!

So as I asked you 3 times to quote any other frequency other than kingX, I decided to get it by myself:

LoughboroughJCT stn (zone 2) (Elephant&Castle ZONE 1!! has the same frequency!!)

7.31 - 7.48 - 7.57 - 8.15 - 8.25 - 8.31 - 8.56

WOW that's what you call a 4 minutes frequency??



And what about this one:

Kentish town (zone 2)

7.42 - 8.12 -8.28 -8.42 !!!
and this one

St Pancras (zone 1)

7.30 - 8.00 - 8.25 - 8.30 WOW!!!


And now let's check any station within the first 3 zones of RER A on the same time:
La Defense:
7.30 - 7.33 - 7.37 - 7.40 - 7.44 - 7.47 - 7.51 - 7.55 - 7.58 - 8.02 - 8.05 -


I want to "trust" the timetable you hv provided:



SO CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW???

Well now I understand you prefered avoiding answering my question and you didn't provide the frequency of other stations other than KingX and Farrington (which again not all the trains from/to those stns deserve all the other stations of the network)








yeah sure!! We will see when this "crossrail" is finished!

Again:

1) it's clear you dont know the RER network!

2) you never used the T.link and you are coming up with some really weak claims, or better .... "little stories"!!


Btw just to remind, or better to show you the RER network

Loughborough Junction and Elephant & Castle are on the Wimbledon / Sutton Loop service which is an offshoot of the Thameslink trunk route. I'm glad you spent so much time finding the Thameslink-served station with the worst service; perhaps you should go to Loughborough Junction and find out why?

Instead of nit-picking and looking at Loughborough Junction, why not try Brighton, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon, London Bridge, Blackfriars, City Thameslink, Farringdon and King's Cross?

Kentish Town has a relatively infrequent service as its on the Tube and Thameslink offers slow and fast services north of London, the fast services do not call at Kentish Town (amongst others). I think its a great idea to offer a combination of slow and fast trains on longer distance commuter routes like Thameslink... you seem to be inferring RER is "better" because all trains stop at all stations... personally if I lived at the end of the line I'd kill for a fast service augmented with an all-stations service.

[VansTripp]

Hello Tubeman....

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by I'mBack

I got as well saved my previous reply

It's a pity having lost all the other replies: at the least your humiliation is not going to be as big as it should be; Monkey you are lucky too as after the several bulls**t of your last posts, I think it's better for you everything got deleted.

There's nothing but defeat, defeat, and more defeat for you....

Originally Posted by Checker

Allright Buddy!you are living on a different planet.I dont know where John is coming from.Where Im from we are used to good service.THE TUBE doesnt provide a good service!End of discussion.I could introduce you to a dozen of people coming from rich countries.They would all agree with me that its a total mess.how do you explain to me that leafs on the tracks or snowfall can break down the whole system.I had a friend from England in Germany and he was amazed by the new standards and the fact that the trains were on time even in the heaviest snowstorms.Berlins underground older and worse than Londons???Are you on Drugs??First of all I know Berlins Transportation System better than you do.Be sure of that.Berlin has already introduced new Trainsets for the underground that London might get in 10 years time if its lucky.Not even to speak about the commuter trains,which are from a different age here.And as I said before,if you check where your trains are coming from you would soon find out that they are mostly french or canadian produced.Wow thats a surprise isnt it? You are taking it too far with your patriotism.The british rail is utteerly shitty.You dont nearly invest the money Germany,Japan or France are investing in Public Transport.Not nearly. And now you are talking about the health system.Let me assure you that all germans I know here (me included)would go back to Germany in case they would have to see a doctor.Now I dont know about the average Eastgerman doctors.What I can tell you though is that english hospitals look to me like they are totally outdated nad oldfashioned.These two things you are bragging about (The Transportation and the Health care system)are exactly the two things that are the worst. If you think the transportation system is efficient,than there is clearly something wrong with you.Most of the trainsets date back to the early 60s!!!! And where the hell do you buy your new buses and trainsets?Do you think theyre british???They arent, simply because you never had the industry because you never invested in the last decades. BTW:Monkey where is your evidence that Londons Network is bigger than New yorks and Paris combined?Come up with it!Im waiting. In my opinion you just talk big in your patrioism,without any knowledge whatsoever.

1) I'm wouldn't be at all surprised if Britain is spending more on public transport in recent years than either France or Germany.

2) I found the Berlin U-Bahn slow, infrequent (5 minute gaps during rush hour?), and uses very old communist-era trains on several lines. It's also the most difficult-to-use metro I have ever come across.

3) The most recent Tube trains are made by Alstom but manufactured in Birmingham. To that extent they are British made.

4) We have already given you figures showing that London'e metro rail transit has 1200 stations compared to 650 in Paris and 700 in New York. We also know that London's stations are further apart suggesting that London's lead by total route kilometres is even greater. For example the Paris Metro has more stops than London Underground (297 to London's 275) yet is only half the length: 213km compared to the London Underground's 408km.

5) Please tell me the dates when London's "entire system" was brought to a halt by leaves or snow. Cummon the media cliches are rolled out every autumn and winter but it never affects more than a handful of lines. When there are hundreds of other lines in normal operation you cannot claim that the entire system is brought to a halt. Just give me the dates.

6) Please explain why the WHO ranks the UK's health system higher than Germany's? Also higher than Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Canada, USA:
http://www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/Content...+-+performance

[JDRS]

Here we go again...

[Monkey]

- Average speed on London Tube = 33km/h
- Average speed on Paris Metro = 25km/h

[nick_taylor]

Originally Posted by I'mBack

I got as well saved my previous reply

It's a pity having lost all the other replies: at the least your humiliation is not going to be as big as it should be; Monkey you are lucky too as after the several bulls**t of your last posts, I think it's better for you everything got deleted.



You are big loser!!

You dont have time or you are just avoiding another BIG humiliation??

Actually no, I did reply from the notepad file I created at home and answered quickly while at work + home...you see I have a job and it entails actually going to sleep and waking up to go into an office.

I just never got around to posting it because of the problems in recent days.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

But did you read my post? Why do you keep posting only the frequency of KingX stn??
As per my previous posts NOT all the train stopping at KingX desserve all the stns ... while the RER trains stop at all the station and the frequency along all the networks, within the first 3 zones, it's the same!!

So as I asked you 3 times to quote any other frequency other than kingX, I decided to get it by myself:

LoughboroughJCT stn (zone 2) (Elephant&Castle ZONE 1!! has the same frequency!!)

7.31 - 7.48 - 7.57 - 8.15 - 8.25 - 8.31 - 8.56

WOW that's what you call a 4 minutes frequency??



And what about this one:

Kentish town (zone 2)

7.42 - 8.12 -8.28 -8.42 !!!
and this one

St Pancras (zone 1)

7.30 - 8.00 - 8.25 - 8.30 WOW!!!


And now let's check any station within the first 3 zones of RER A on the same time:
La Defense:
7.30 - 7.33 - 7.37 - 7.40 - 7.44 - 7.47 - 7.51 - 7.55 - 7.58 - 8.02 - 8.05 -


I want to "trust" the timetable you hv provided:

SO CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW???

Well now I understand you prefered avoiding answering my question and you didn't provide the frequency of other stations other than KingX and Farrington (which again not all the trains from/to those stns deserve all the other stations of the network)

I can answer your points clearly: you are looking at the 'spur' lines on Thameslink, but not actually doing the same for RER A, La Defense is still on the RER mainline.

Now if we actually took a fair comparison, ie took a spur/branch line station such as Acheres Grand Cormier we would note that the train frequencies between 0800-0900 are:

RER A: Acheres-Grand Cormier
8.20 - 8.15 - 8.27 - 8.39 - 8.52


RER C: Gare de Porcheftontaine
8.07 - 8.22 - 8.37 - 8.52


RER C: Gare D'Etrechy
8.10 - 8.33


Also the train frequencies can clearly NOT be the same across the entire network simply because they simple could never be - you can't have continual train frequencies WHEN YOU HAVE SPUR LINES...did you even look at a RER map? Do you expect the trains to only use the spur lines and not actually go through to the centre and out the other side? Note the 2 tph frequency at Gare D'Etrechy :O


Also I quoted Kings Cross BECAUSE I QUOTED THE RER CENTRAL STATION in Paris, eg: Chatelet Les Halles (RER A, B + D), St-Michel Notre-Dame (RER C) + Haussmann St Lazare (RER E).


I also managed to create a map to try and show the comparison. Hence why I used the comparison of central stations on all RER and Thameslink lines and not on its spur lines. Thameslink 'fractures' closer to the centre than the RER lines do, hence the lower frequencies on spur lines. Yet negating spur lines and to do a comparison above on the RER spur lines the frequencies are as low and in one case (maybe more) lower than on Thameslink's spur lines.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

yeah sure!! We will see when this "crossrail" is finished!

Again:

1) it's clear you dont know the RER network!

2) you never used the T.link and you are coming up with some really weak claims, or better .... "little stories"!!


Btw just to remind, or better to show you the RER network

Crossrail is actually a project that has seen work started, eg under Moorhouse where the Moorgate end of the Liverpool Street platforms will be. Funding has been agreed by the government, soil sampling, equality impact accessments have been undertaken and the second reading in the House of Commons is actually due for tomorrow.

Also I seem to know the RER network just as much as yourself - being very selective with stations on spur lines is something I can do as well. Also how are my claims 'stories', christ. I've proved the fact that on the mainline strech on all RER and Thameslink lines that the frequency is higher and as high as 4 out of the 5 lines. Also Crossrail has more underground rail connections than 4 RER lines. To top it off you state it takes longer to connect at these stations, but are then disproven by an actual person who knows Thameslink at Kings Cross that the time it takes to travel is around 5mins, not the 15mins you stated. I then show evidence that there are longer connections on the RER network but somehow those are all stories as well. Also Tubeman has I noticed also highlighted the fact of your very selective studies. Notice also that I can be very selective and it shows in one case the frequency being lower than on Thameslink.

I also know how big the RER is, then again London developed a different network to what Paris has (and lacks in comparison), but London is adapting to its changing circumstances and moving ahead with such services.



By 2010 Thameslink will resemble this:




It could very well be that once Crossrail, Crossrail 2, Crossrail 3 and Thameslink 2000 is all finished, that London will have a larger 'RER' type network than Paris.

[nick_taylor]

Originally Posted by I'mBack

ehi kid, I really tired of this discussion: the RER frequency is much higher than t.link: you are just far too chauvinist to accept the truth.

As per my previous posts, I showed you that the frequency is much lower: how many trains do you have from westHampstead to CityT.link stn?? Or from Loughborough Jct?? Then take any RER stn within the first 3 zone and you will see the difference Just accept it, the frequency is much lower and the trains DONOT desserve all the stns.

Now I'm a kid for actually doing research and finding the facts that disprove your theory that Thameslink has quite a lot in common with the RER!

Look to my previous post - you'll note that Thameslink has higher rush hour frequencies (0800-0900) than 3 other lines and equal to another on the mainline. When the expansion is completed by 2010 it will have along this mainline even higher frequency than even RER Line C.

Also like with the RER having spur lines (1, 2, 3, etc...), London has its own spur lines and CityMetro ie Thameslink 1 stops at all stations on its network. Thameslink 2 (CityFlier) stops at every station along the Thameslink network, bar Thameslink 1 (CityMetro) stations. Its exactly the same with the spur lines on the RER which don't access every station along the lines.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

for sure he knows the London transports better than you do... well actually I dont think you know it at all.

for the rest no comments: I hv already explained so many times as you keeps ignoring some main points I kept posting, such as: have you tried to walk from the T.link platform down to the Circle line platform?? Or to the Northernline one?? Just try and then tell me about it

I don't know it at all? What on earth are you going on about! He knows Thameslink because he actually uses it, just because I don't doesn't mean I somehow don't know the London transport network. I don't make claims to being a Londoner, but I do use it and I do understand it for the most part.

Also, why do I need to go on walks when connections between lines at some RER stations are physically longer than those on Thameslink! Also other forumers who actually use Thameslink and (RER on a more regular basis than myself) state otherwise to what you say, so its not like I would need to walk down these routes when others are my eyes and ears.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

Again you are twisting what I wrote:

my point wasn't about the terminus at LndBridge but that there are any "T.Link PLATFORMS", as the tracks are shared by several train operators....

that's what you claimed and I just rectify your wrong information

No I claimed that there were Thameslink platforms, those are platforms used by Thameslink trains which is correct. I don't understand why I should go into detail as to who else uses them. Thats a bit like saying Mr Smith went to a Burger King, but then saying ah but other Smith's visited Burger King: its about relevance and what you interpreted was not relevant when we were talking about Thameslink and London Underground stations. Where is the requirement to mention the exact usage of each individual platform of South + South Eastern train services when I was referring to Thameslink and London Underground stations. None: hence no relevance to what we were talking about.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

this is not correct as platforms 1&2 are mostly for trains going/coming to/from CannonStreet stn, and if you know london transports you should know that there is no T.link trains desserving Cannon st.stn!?!? Again try to read my posts

No I said along platforms 1-6 which are the through platforms - which they are. I did not indicate as to the exact usage of platforms by whatever train service which is what your trying to get at because it is irrelevant to the discussion.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

It proves I know London bridge better than you do.... well I think I hv provided so many "evidences" that I know london transports better than u do!

How? Stating that there is a through platform that is unrelated whatsoever to Thameslink? Please enlighten me to the relevance of a through platform when it comes to Thameslink and the London Underground. The answer is simple: its irrelevant and your trying to deflect attention from your main flaws.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

that's what I call "trolling": you dont want to believe I live in Paris? Well it's up to you trying to twist my "evidences" with those pitty claims I see the other troll doesn't give the good example, does he? Again I proved I'm a parisian and I know Paris much better than the other troll

Btw, I love Paris!!

Regarding the train stns in rome who connect with the metro there are actually Tiburtina, Termini, Valle Aurelia, Tuscolana and Ostiense. But then again the metro network in rome is crap.

No Monkey has proven already that you understanding of the system in Paris is flawed. On top of that your understanding of Thameslink has already been questioned by forumers who actually use the service.

I have on top of that shown Thameslink has more connections than 4 RER lines and a higher frequency than 3 RER lines and frequencies greater than 3 RER lines and equal to another. The fact that its currently being expanded to 24tph through its mainline which would be greater than any RER mainline is quite funny, especially when you were trying to argue otherwise.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

again I dont know what I bother replying:

1) it's clear you dont know the RER network!

2) you never used the T.link and you are coming up with some really weak claims

No you won't bother replying because you know I'm right that Thameslink shares many characteristics with Paris' RER lines. I've debunked your main points that try to state that Thameslink is not similar to the RER. You then start nit-picking about irrelevant through platforms and then start saying because I haven't rode Thameslink that somehow I don't know anything about London's transport network. You sir are a fool when faced by actual facts and figures that prove your theories regarding connections and frequencies to be wrong.

Originally Posted by I'mBack

but no evidence?? By any chance, did the BBC interview some clubbers and not realizing they were completly ... drunk??

If you really want to believe to the 1M figure in Soho, well it's up to you, I'm just trying to prevent you from coming up with such stories .... it's quite embarrassing. Or maybe it helps you out with your night "activities" under the duvet??

Evidence is a BBC documentary regarding the policing of Soho from beat officers quoting statistics of the task at hand: hence why there is a heavy police presence especially in Soho on Friday and Saturday nights. No, they did not interview clubbers and drunks as it was about the policing situation in Soho - they did arrest a quite a few people considering the large volumes of people being handled. Also if you've been to Soho you would know that it acts as the epicentre for nightlife in London, just like the CBD in City and West End. If you had watched the BBC documentary you would know the same thing. Also I don't like your attitude regarding what I do with ladies - sounds like someone who has lost all arguments and instead attacks my personal life. Last ditch hope that I'll somehow capitulate I assume?

Originally Posted by I'mBack

Again twisting the stories

How on earth is that twisting the stories when I first mentioned trading headquarters for banks long before you had even come into the thread! You came in to the thread stating that you've never heard of them. Then admitting you did not work in finance and did not know anything about the sector. How on earth does that mean you know exactly what your talking about.

Now if I had stated originally that they were headquartered in London then I would have been in the wrong....but I didn't do that as I mentioned from the start trading headquarters.

And you want to know what trolling is? Its someone who doesn't know what the subject is about but seems to know whats best above those who actually know, work and study the subject. Its like telling Pelé that he doesn't know what a football is and thats a very astute example.

[Pobbie]

lol Nick, is this really worth the effort?

[nick_taylor]

Well if it means destroying his credibility even further, then yes. One of the reasons other than skyscrapers, cities and urban planning and the such is I get a good sense of joy out of eroding away at such individuals who continually preach incorrect statements (eg Thameslink having poorer connections, lower frequencies, etc...).

[I'mBack]

Originally Posted by Monkey

2) I found the Berlin U-Bahn slow, infrequent (5 minute gaps during rush hour?), and uses very old communist-era trains on several lines. It's also the most difficult-to-use metro I have ever come across.

I cant believe you hv written again this reply!!!

So again: Never I had any problem using the u-bahn in Berlin!! I'm sorry for you for having so many troubles using the metro (in Paris ) and now the U-bahn in Berlin!!! Something tells me there is something wrong with you

[Monkey]

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[I'mBack]

Originally Posted by Tubeman

Loughborough Junction and Elephant & Castle are on the Wimbledon / Sutton Loop service which is an offshoot of the Thameslink trunk route. I'm glad you spent so much time finding the Thameslink-served station with the worst service; perhaps you should go to Loughborough Junction and find out why?

Instead of nit-picking and looking at Loughborough Junction, why not try Brighton, Gatwick Airport, East Croydon, London Bridge, Blackfriars, City Thameslink, Farringdon and King's Cross?

Kentish Town has a relatively infrequent service as its on the Tube and Thameslink offers slow and fast services north of London, the fast services do not call at Kentish Town (amongst others). I think its a great idea to offer a combination of slow and fast trains on longer distance commuter routes like Thameslink... you seem to be inferring RER is "better" because all trains stop at all stations... personally if I lived at the end of the line I'd kill for a fast service augmented with an all-stations service.

The reason I hv taken in consideration those stations; it's to prove the T.link CANNOT be compared to the RER as the RER trains have a more regular and higher frequency than thameslink, regardeless of the area, specially within the first 2/3 zones

If you lived at the last station of the RER and needed to get off after few stops, would you like waiting 1/2 hour just to get the train calling at yr station???

[I'mBack]

nick-taylor, it seems you are ignoring again my questions and twisting my reply; but again if you want to believe T.link is as good as the RER, it's up to you

dont worry I will reply to yr points later and I will show again you are just a chauvinist looser who cant accept to be wrong. now I hv to go. in the meantime read back my posts and dont twist my reply or comments