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Old July 30th, 2005, 04:08 AM   #181
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i wonder why wally isn't writing essays about how these toronto subway extensions are unnecessary, too expensive, cater to the creme de la creme, will be underused, and all that jazz.
Because I am not against the Toronto subway extensions. Unlike Vancouver, Toronto truly need to be serviced by subways given their population size and significance in the Canadian economy. The only reason why Vancouver is building a subway is because the creme de la creme does not want to see a train high above their homes.

And while I'm at it, I would like to follow up on my question to you....can you please repost the evidence that you are referring to in post# 163 ?
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Old July 30th, 2005, 05:08 AM   #182
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Because I am not against the Toronto subway extensions. Unlike Vancouver, Toronto truly need to be serviced by subways given their population size and significance in the Canadian economy. The only reason why Vancouver is building a subway is because the creme de la creme does not want to see a train high above their homes.
Not that particular part of the city though...it's too suburban in nature to really need a subway line.

There are much more urgent priorities that should be addressed before the YorkU line is built. The Sheppard stump alone is costing the new line potential ridership. Canadian public transit expansions from coast-to-coast have been smeared and raped by politics.

How much would an at-grade or above-grade subway option cost to YorkU?
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Old July 30th, 2005, 05:14 AM   #183
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Toronto has a better transit system obviously.

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Old July 30th, 2005, 05:19 AM   #184
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Chicago has a better transit system in my opinion. I mean, after all, it does cover a larger area.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 05:22 AM   #185
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Oh, sorry about that.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 06:04 AM   #186
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I still say Spadina should be at grade or elevated the whole EXT or can it.
Use that money for Sheppard or Eglinton instead.
How many NEW riders is the TTC and city expecting from the SpadinaExt anyway?
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Old July 30th, 2005, 08:58 AM   #187
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"Not that particular part of the city though...it's too suburban in nature to really need a subway line. "


I don't agree.

But that aside, you seem to think in a very limited fashion about this....remember...it's just a part of a larger future system, and a current one....you have to think of it as a part of a larger plan. With your logic, subways should have never been built in Toronto at all.





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Old July 30th, 2005, 09:44 AM   #188
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Whally from Portland who know so much about what Vancouver needs. SCUNT
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Because I am not against the Toronto subway extensions. Unlike Vancouver, Toronto truly need to be serviced by subways given their population size and significance in the Canadian economy. The only reason why Vancouver is building a subway is because the creme de la creme does not want to see a train high above their homes.
For a long time I have read your post and they have made you seem like a small minded matriarch fornicator. Why build a crappie system for a part of town that isn't crappie. Would you put sky train in down town Vancouver ? no! you would put subway in, its the same with South Grandville it is a high commercial area that needs to maintain a status. the status encompass the feeling of a town unto its self, sky train would ruin that feelling and as we all know Vancouverites are so annual about there city they don't want anything to change it. Look what happened to New Westminster the area went to crap because of the sky train planning in that area ie security, layout of stations and so on. And when the city final does something right like put it under ground you freak out like a little girl calling the creme de la creme bastards for wanting a good system in there area. I would point out the only part of the lower mainland which has good sky trains links is burnaby. They have two whole systems built in there part of town. Vancouver and Richmond deserver there turn, and the other parts of the city will get transit in due cores time but the system have to work for those area and what works for Vancouver is underground.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 10:20 AM   #189
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^ Ooohh..3 posts newbie. Do I detect an alter ego, perhaps from a 12 year old creme de la creme? Or worse, another creme de la creme! Tell me noob, why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? And when will other parts of the "city" get transit? When we have cities in Mars?

Edit: Based on your post in the Western Provinces thread, I know who you are...

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Old July 30th, 2005, 11:28 AM   #190
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[QUOTE=Wally]Because I am not against the Toronto subway extensions. Unlike Vancouver, Toronto truly need to be serviced by subways given their population size and significance in the Canadian economy. The only reason why Vancouver is building a subway is because the creme de la creme does not want to see a train high above their homes.


size of what? Toronto is a well planned city with high density, but its not that big in terms of population.

As for Vancouvers rapid transit line, if they would increase density down that line, it would be a smart move, but if they dont like they have stated, then i dont know how they are going to achieve the ridership predicted. Regardless the line is needed, because of the traffic that will build up on streets such as Cambie, Granville, Oak.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 09:58 PM   #191
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^ Ooohh..3 posts newbie. Do I detect an alter ego, perhaps from a 12 year old creme de la creme? Or worse, another creme de la creme! Tell me noob, why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? And when will other parts of the "city" get transit? When we have cities in Mars?

Edit: Based on your post in the Western Provinces thread, I know who you are...
LOL. Nothing but shit and assumptions. But of course, I do have proof that you are in fact Queetz.

No two people can be exactly alike and say exactly the same thing, word by word....."....if you want a train, have it high up in the sky!".......".....12 year old creme de la creme", etc.
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Old July 30th, 2005, 10:30 PM   #192
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^ Ooohh..3 posts newbie. Do I detect an alter ego, perhaps from a 12 year old creme de la creme? Or worse, another creme de la creme! Tell me noob, why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? And when will other parts of the "city" get transit? When we have cities in Mars?

Well big boy you think you know who I am?
Well, sadly I have been accused of being a 12 year old boy from Vancouver which is well kind of sad. Not for you but me.
This is who I am.

I once lived in Vancouver and Halifax and know live in Toronto, I take the subway to the University of Toronto every day, I have a large obsession with public transit and urban planning.

A side note. I have an amazing apartment that over looks downtown Toronto.

QUOTE]why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? And when will other parts of the "city" get transit?[/QUOTE]

Well the thing about transit is everyone in the city subsidize it. Vancouver and richmond have subsidize transit in other parts of the city for years, this is nothing new! and the people who really are paying for it are car drivers which is the greatest irony of it all. And about other parts of the city getting transit is this; Coquitlem and Port Moody are going to get it soon. The city will have built 4 lines of transit in less then 20 years when all is said and done, which is a hell of a lot more then Toronto can say. I lived in South Delta and sky train or subway would not make sense in that area. It needs something like commuter trains like they have in Toronto of Boston. This would also be true for further stops in Surry, Langley and Mission . Linking it to the rest of the system would make the most sense.
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Old August 2nd, 2005, 10:03 AM   #193
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why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? And when will other parts of the "city" get transit? When we have cities in Mars?
Ok, its quite obvious you have never seen cambie street and the rest of the proposed route. Do you expect the guideway to hover? be suspended from buildings? If not, quite a substantial number of buildings would have to be demolished (like skyscrapers, which would cost ALOT more than building 2 tunnels going through the same route) And no, you can't close 2 lanes and force people to take transit against their will (you can move to North Korea if you like other peoples beliefs force fed into you)
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Because it is the core of the region. And downtown vancouver needs fast, assessible rapid transit as well. An underground loop around the island would fit well into the overall transit grid, even it is just an underground ALRT line. Other reasons aside, having an underground metro is seen as presitgous, and maybe seen as putting a city at another level. That was seen as a reason for expanding the TTC subway when current ridership does not demand it.
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SNC-Lavalin (InTransitBC) formally signed with RAVco. The announcement is in the new Bulletin No 9 on the RAV site, including a funding agency cost breakdown. It also says that InTransitBC is contributing $635 Million over the 35 year term of the contract:

http://www.ravprapidtransit.com/en/rav_updates.php

Bulletin No. 9 includes these two pics of the North Arm bridge.

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Old August 3rd, 2005, 07:59 AM   #196
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the bridge is sweet!
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 08:27 AM   #197
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definetely awesome.......btw, though tiny, is that also an indication of what the trains will look like or are they just there to show that its the RAV bridge?
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[QUOTE=Wally]Tell me noob, why should the rest of the GVRD subsidize Vancouver's desire for underground systems only? Why are Vancouverites more hollier than those in New West or Surrey? [QUOTE]

Bullcrap argument that I have already responded to but you keep repeating it

The same reason that Vancouverites will be paying in part for the Coquitlam LRT extension. We don't need it, we won't use it - it's for people there. But we will be paying for it as well. And I promie you Vancouver will pay a bigger chunk of the Coquitlam LRT than Coquitlam will of the RAV.
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The train is probably just a generic representation - though the length of the train is probably right.
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The train is probably just a generic representation - though the length of the train is probably right.
they look longer than the Mark I's we already have.
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