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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:14 AM   #21
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Hehe, this thread is certainly turning out to be a little lop sided.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:53 AM   #22
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Museum Station, the least busy station in the entire system. At most, I saw 10 people on the platform.

Below: A Southbound train
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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:54 AM   #23
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Museum Station, the least busy station in the entire system. At most, I saw 10 people on the platform.
Least Busy? What about Chester?

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Old July 19th, 2005, 06:56 AM   #24
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Translink or TTC???
You've got to be kidding. TTC, of course...........no comparison, none whatsoever.
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Least Busy? What about Chester?
What abt Dupont? I have never ever seen more than 5 people on the platforms.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 07:14 AM   #26
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Can't remember where I read that. I'll try to find out. Could some Vancouver people please post pictures of the 4 underground stations in vancouver? Thanks.

And, the first fatal subway accident (previous non-fatal accidents involving only worktrains, e.g. garbage pickup trains) on the TTC subway was in 1995, some 41 years after it was first constructed. And the SkyTrain is, what - 20-30? Still 10 more years.

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Stadium-Chinatown Station
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And, the first fatal subway accident (previous non-fatal accidents involving only worktrains, e.g. garbage pickup trains) on the TTC subway was in 1995, some 41 years after it was first constructed. And the SkyTrain is, what - 20-30? Still 10 more years.
The Expo Line opened in 1986, and the M-Line opened in 2001. But still, technology on SkyTrain is much safer and reliable than what the TTC currently has.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 07:40 AM   #29
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Technology is way more advance, so I don't beleive it's on the same scale.

Also the SRT trains look waaaaay better than the MKI on Skytrain.
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Better as well get some stats going.

GTA Transit ridership numbers:
1. TTC 415,539,000
2. GO Transit 44,121,700
3. Mississauga 24,998,311
4. Hamilton 20,393,653
5. York Region 8,432,384
6. Brampton 7,367,098
7. St. Catherines 3,091,034
8. Oshawa 2,897,780
9. APTA 2,187,442
10. Burlington 1,508,614
11. Whitby 906,936
Those stats are really old, from 2002 I think. Here are some stats for 2004:

TTC 418,099,000
Mississauga Transit 25,432,899
York Region Transit 13,815,517
Brampton Transit 8,381,335

The overall transit ridership in the GTA (including Hamilton) is 526 million.

Transit ridership in Vancouver is 155 million.

The problem with Toronto is that there are too many transit system but that is changing as many transit system have amalgamated recently. York Region Transit has seen ridership increase by over 10% each year since it was formed in 2001 and this year Durham Region Transit was createdas well. Also, the GTA farecard will be introduced in 2007.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 07:58 AM   #31
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RAPID TRANSIT LINES. This is how I look at it:


Safety & Reliability: Toronto 80%, Vancouver 96%
- Better technology with SkyTrain.

Technology: Toronto 80%, Vancouver 92%
- Obviously linear propulsion is better.

Ridership: Toronto 99%, Vancouver 65%
- no duh!

Station design: Toronto 80%, Vancouver 80%
- Toronto's stations have good access and are big, overall good. Vancouver's Expo stations are ok, but the awesome new M-Line stations make up for Expo's "ok".

Train designs: Toronto 90%, Vancouver 83%
- TTC's trains are bigger which is a big win, but Vancouver's new cars are quite quiet and are faster than the TTC trains however the old trains drag it down.

Frequency: Toronto 90%, Vancouver 94%
- Vancouver has more frequency; TTC doesn't have 1 min 30 secs for rush hour and overall SkyTrain frequency is quick.

Overall: Toronto 92%, Vancouver 86%
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Old July 19th, 2005, 08:13 AM   #32
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^ Could you please provide us with statistical analysis to back up your numbers? Or as Homer Simpson told Kent Brockman in the episode about the cat burglar (just a paraphrase but it goes something like this), "Kent, people make up all these numbers to prove a point....40% of people know that..." :

BTW, I think its a no brainer than the TTC is way better than Translink in practically everything, including the use of technology. Why would you spend billions on an exotic technology such as Linear Induction Motors when the various propulsion units that power the Toronto subway and streetcars have been tries, tested and proven at hundreds upon hundreds of applications around the world. Simple economics dictate that the more competition, the better the product in terms of costs, efficiency, availability and reliability.

Does this count for accidents?

Skytrain Death
May, 28 2005 - 11:00 AM

VANCOUVER(CKNW/AM980) - The coroner is reviewing the surveillance tape, after a tragic incident last night at the Broadway Skytrain station.

Vancouver Police tell us a man in his mid-20's stumbled and fell between the cars of a moving train, landed on the tracks and was run over.

The incident left a chunk of the Skytrain system closed, with Translink laying on extra buses to run a "bus bridge" between Main Street-Science World and Joyce-Collingwood.

Service is running normally today.

Questions raised over SkyTrain death

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A tragic SkyTrain accident took the life of a member of the North Shore community last Friday night.

Trajan Martin, 26, who grew up in West Vancouver, was getting off a train at the Broadway station at 10:40 p.m. when he fell between two cars of a departing train. According to coroner Sandy Baraby, "He was observed getting off the train and then stumbled and fell onto the tracks."

Although the investigation is still underway, the incident has left many unanswered questions for Trajan's family. Trajan's older brother Tieg said, "We don't know whether he was killed by whatever condition was causing him to stumble or whether he was killed by the train that began to move out of the station."

After speaking to the coroner, Tieg said he was told an alarm was triggered, but after the TransLink attendant on duty was unable to see an obstruction, he waved the train on. "At this point no one is accusing anybody, but we want to know what happened, if there has been a failure in terms of procedure or just simple common sense, then I think at the very least we'll make sure that this couldn't happen to anybody else," said Tieg.

Trajan was the last passenger to leave the train.

"That means he was probably in rough shape when the train came to a stop," said Tieg. "Maybe he'd been in some kind of altercation or he was having a stroke or convulsions." According to Tieg, an acquaintance who dropped Trajan off at the SkyTrain downtown at 9:15 p.m. said nothing seemed out of the ordinary. The Martin family is hoping that someone travelling in the same train car as Trajan may have seen something.

Trajan had been working as an assistant at the West Van law firm of former West Vancouver mayor Mark Sager. Sager had been with Trajan on the Friday evening at a fundraiser for the West Van library. "He was in a great mood and anxious to get home to his fiancee," said Sager. "It's just unexplainable. This is someone that I had hiked some of the highest mountains with and this is a fellow that never lost his footing."

Results of the coroner's investigation, which includes an autopsy and toxicology test, will not likely be released for a couple of months.

The accident closed a section of the SkyTrain system for several hours, said TransLink spokesman Ken Hardie.

He said trains come to an automatic stop once an alarm is sounded. TransLink is currently awaiting information from police and the coroner in the event that safety recommendations are made.

"The circumstances of what happened have to be reviewed," said Hardie, "There are some cases where no safety systems would prevent what happens from happening."

Hardie said accidental SkyTrain deaths are rare.

Trajan, who was recently engaged, obtained a degree in Latin American Studies from a university in Santiago, Chile. He spoke four languages.

Sager, who knew Trajan for nine years, is organizing a memorial scholarship through the West Vancouver Found-ation. "He was such an outstanding student and loved education," said Sager,

"If there's anything he would have liked it would have been to help other people."

Trajan was valedictorian of the 1996 class at West Vancouver secondary. He recently performed in the acclaimed theatrical production Habeas Corpus at the Presentation House, and according to Sager, was nominated as best supporting actor.

"He's one of those people who touched everybody he knew in the most positive way." said Sager. Family and friends of Trajan are meeting tomorrow at the Eagleridge access to the Black Mountain trail for a tribute hike at 1 p.m. A celebration of Trajan's life is planned for June 18. To contribute to the Trajan Martin scholarship fund, contact Sager at 604-913-9884.

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Old July 19th, 2005, 08:25 AM   #33
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overall I'd say Vc: 60 To: 90
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Old July 19th, 2005, 08:29 AM   #34
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^ Anybody can stumble onto tracks on any system in the world (whether it be an accident, pushed over, or suicide).


So you're saying third rail is better than linear propulsion which is near maglev? When it comes to technology, SkyTrain wins handsdown.
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^ Read the North Shore News article that I just posted. The alarm was triggered and yet the Translink staff (surely by accident) still let the "driverless train" go through. I thought the automated system would prevent the trains from moving....apparently not.

And what is this silly claim that LIM is maglev. I thought maglev trains are those that float around magnetic fields? That is, they float, hence no friction, which makes them very fast. Skytrain maybe pulled by magnets but the fact of the matter is they are still subject to the friction as any ordinary train. Plus they are extremely noisy, even the newer Mark II cars compared to a conventional electric powered light rail vehicle.

Besides, I thought Skytrain is both third rail and LIM? Care to back up your conclusion that the Skytrain technology wins hands down with a sound argument? And you better not rely on someone else to prove your point like you always do. Here is my counter argument....its not a good seller for it is seen in only a few cities compared to conventional powered trains. Duh!
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Old July 19th, 2005, 09:04 AM   #36
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Seriously why did you start this? Are you pissed off or something, good job.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 09:06 AM   #37
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What do you mean? Seems like a good discussion to me.
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Old July 19th, 2005, 09:15 AM   #38
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Welcome to Toronto Transit!!!!



A new tunnel



Streetcar Entering Union



Streetcar



Spadina 510 Streetcar



This is what the inside of a streetcar looks like



Queen Streetcar



Go Train beside the DVP



Elevated Subway



Surrounded by skyscrapers



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A station



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Station



Station 2



Scarborough RT (usually has four cars)



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^ WOW!!!!! I didn't realize TTC system is so damn extensive and diverse! And its variety give its city so much charm and character. TTC blows Translink away at any form! Instead of being bus and Skytrain, it has a variety of transit vehicles that Torontonians can experience and utlize.
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LOL, that is a Mississauga Transit bus alright, but it is in Los Angeles! You can see the stars on the sidewalk... and the California license plate kind of gives it away too.

Here are some MT buses actually in Mississauga:



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