Oldham Thread

[leebuk2005]

Originally Posted by monkey_rat

mm...what 'white british' projects get overlooked? and with the church/mosque thing, christianity is dying out in britain, not because of immigrants or whatever, but because families who have lived here for generations just have no interest in religion anymore, whereas some recent immigrants come from more religious backgrounds, hence the need for mosques, but not for churches.

Maybe the Asian Community Centre in Westwood what was built not long back and all the terrace houses in asian areas that have been nocked down and are being replaced by brand new 4 and 5 bedroom houses. When some of the mainly white council estate which have been badley maintained for decades get shoddy roofing and dodgy boilers that squeel when you turn a hot tap on all bodged by cowboy builders. There is a great unfairness in Oldham but as soon as you open your mouth your branded a racist. Jst look at how many new schools, Medical centres and other community facilities are being and have been built for the asian community. This is why lots of people get pissed of and go and vote for the likes of the BNP because labour doesnt care about them.

[cottonopolis]

Originally Posted by nerd

indeed the British Muslim population is growing fast - and Oldham is much the better for it. Muslims in Oldham are - on average - healthier, better educated and harder working than than their "Christian British" neighbours. Ten years ago, Oldham was in a state of near economic collapse - now it is beginning to boom again (in a modest way); and the investment of labour and money from the British Muslim communities are largely the reasons.

Utter utter utter U.T.T.E.R BOLLOCKS!!! Muslims are on average LESS educated and LESS likely to be in work. Seriously go do some fact checking and not just spout out your bleedin heart liberal bull shit..

www.migrationwatch.co.uk
http://www.cis.org/
www.statistics.gov.uk

[scproductions]

Originally Posted by leebuk2005

Maybe the Asian Community Centre in Westwood what was built not long back and all the terrace houses in asian areas that have been nocked down and are being replaced by brand new 4 and 5 bedroom houses. When some of the mainly white council estate which have been badley maintained for decades get shoddy roofing and dodgy boilers that squeel when you turn a hot tap on all bodged by cowboy builders. There is a great unfairness in Oldham but as soon as you open your mouth your branded a racist. Jst look at how many new schools, Medical centres and other community facilities are being and have been built for the asian community. This is why lots of people get pissed of and go and vote for the likes of the BNP because labour doesnt care about them.

i live in oldham too and i have to say that i do agree with you.

i think the main problem is intergration... asians just dont want to do it.

the vast majority of people in britain dont have any problems with black people, or chinese, or polish, or ukranian... its just the muslim-asians. Thats a HELL of a coincidence.

They turn it around on us and make out that it is we who do not wish to have anything to do with them, but i dont believe that. Modern Britain and America are famous for accepting people of all race and cultures... but i just feel we cannot do that with asians.

We invite them to gatherings within the local community... but they dont attend.

My child invited his asian friend over to our house... but his parents banned it.

My friend was invited to her asian friend's house... but they only allowed her to enter if she wore a full veil.

Within schools they decide not to enter ANY extra curricular activities.

When police arrest asians for speeding or littering the asian people condem the police for "being racist".

Asians refuse to follow any british fashion.

Asians are generally scruffy and disrespectful (which can be seen whenever you walk through ANY asian estate)/

I just think its VERY hard for us to accept them when they announce (on a regular basis) that they are completely against western society and culture... even though they live in a western country.

I HATE how their culture says that women are inferior to men. I think it is unbelievably disrespectful when asian women wear a veil as i find it to be a symbol of segregation and i feel it COMPLETELY disrespects the women of britain who fought (to the death) for equal rights amongst men and women over the past hundred years.

I hate to sound racist, but when you live in Oldham (or any asian town) and you experience these things on a daily basis you begin to become sick of it.

[leebuk2005]

this thread is going to be locked sooner or later. I do agree

[monkey_rat]

Originally Posted by scproductions

i think the main problem is intergration... asians just dont want to do it.

the vast majority of people in britain dont have any problems with black people, or chinese, or polish, or ukranian... its just the muslim-asians. Thats a HELL of a coincidence.

bollocks lad. division if anything is down to class not race. I am friends with a fair few people of asian background and I take offence at what you've said here. have you made a personal effort to 'integrate' with any asian people? what are you basing these statements on? 'kin hell.

Within schools they decide not to enter ANY extra curricular activities.

??? at my school 90% of pupils couldn't be arsed with extra curricular activities because they are kids. i.e. lazy, again its irrespective of race.

Asians refuse to follow any british fashion.

again bollocks. I know plenty of asian people who listen to fashionable music, wear fashionable clothes, watch big brother etc. Do you actually know any asian people personally or do you just base your opinions on what you read in the daily mail?

Asians are generally scruffy and disrespectful (which can be seen whenever you walk through ANY asian estate)/[/I]

seriously lad this is the point where it starts to get beyond a joke. what is your opinion of predominantly white council estates?

I just think its VERY hard for us to accept them when they announce (on a regular basis) that they are completely against western society and culture... even though they live in a western country.

who are 'they'?

I HATE how their culture says that women are inferior to men. I think it is unbelievably disrespectful when asian women wear a veil as i find it to be a symbol of segregation and i feel it COMPLETELY disrespects the women of britain who fought (to the death) for equal rights amongst men and women over the past hundred years.

fhm. loaded. nuts. britain still ain't that enlightened mate.

I hate to sound racist, but when you live in Oldham (or any asian town) and you experience these things on a daily basis you begin to become sick of it.

as I mentioned I'm originally from a so-called 'asian town' and don't experience any of these phenomena you mention. I appreciate that race issues are far greater in oldham than in blackburn, and your views are clearly a product of this, but you're displaying an astonishing amount of ignorance, and that is unforgivable.

[leebuk2005]

maybe your ignorant and don't accept other peoples view but dismiss them

[monkey_rat]

If dismissing sweeping statements about an entire race makes me ignorant then so be it.

[leebuk2005]

its not a race thing its about culture.

[Isaac Newell]

Originally Posted by scproductions

I REALLY dont want to sound racist here but I used to live in Chadderton and eventually we (along with the rest of the white population in that area) moved away to a different area due to the sheer number of muslims that moved there.

My friends lives in another area of Chadderton and now they are moving away due to more muslims moving into that area.

Originally Posted by scproductions

i think the main problem is intergration... asians just dont want to do it.

Oldham's doomed.

[Cosmo Disney]

Originally Posted by cottonopolis

Utter utter utter U.T.T.E.R BOLLOCKS!!! Muslims are on average LESS educated and LESS likely to be in work. Seriously go do some fact checking and not just spout out your bleedin heart liberal bull shit..

www.migrationwatch.co.uk
http://www.cis.org/
www.statistics.gov.uk

I too would be interested in seeing a source for this statement nerd. This is the second time you have posted similar comments, but all the data I have been able to find contradicts your position.

[heatonparkincakes]

As this post probably indicates, Oldham isnt really part of Mancheeter. Certainly not in the city's spirit of progressive, enlightened and tolerant thinking.

Indeed some of the people on there, certainly arent even part of the 21st century, never mind a bus ride away.

I can tell the school kids are on their hols

[skyhigh247]

Just a small reminder of Oldham's past, many of the people who worked in the mills in not so great conditions, making this country rich were imigrants. We do have to remember this and we couldn't have done without them.

However, today there are too many immigrants coming in and that includes any immigrant from any country. This is only an island and per square mile, we are officially one of 'the' most densely populated countries in the world. Not only time to close the gates, but time to offload some also.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by heatonparkincakes

As this post probably indicates, Oldham isnt really part of Mancheeter.

That's true, it's Greater Manchester.

[Cherguevara]

Originally Posted by skyhigh247

However, today there are too many immigrants coming in and that includes any immigrant from any country. This is only an island and per square mile, we are officially one of 'the' most densely populated countries in the world. Not only time to close the gates, but time to offload some also.

Offload 'them' where?

There are five million British born people living abroad and many more joining them. Oldham is one of the many northern towns rapidly loosing population, and you want to force out some of its remaining residents who were largely born and brought up there!? It beggars belief.

Immigration does reduce community cohesiveness, but it is also economically beneficial. Immigrants doing the underpayed work that no one else wants to do is one of the reasons our economy has been consistently successful for the past 10 years.

So the answer is clearly not bar immigration, or send anyone back anywhere, but to pursue policies that speed the process of community integration, and tackle the social exclusion of the 'indigenous' population so that people don't feel that there problems are being disregarded.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by Cherguevara

Offload 'them' where?

There are five million British born people living abroad and many more joining them. Oldham is one of the many northern towns rapidly loosing population, and you want to force out some of its remaining residents who were largely born and brought up there!? It beggars belief.

Immigration does reduce community cohesiveness, but it is also economically beneficial. Immigrants doing the underpayed work that no one else wants to do is one of the reasons our economy has been consistently successful for the past 10 years.

So the answer is clearly not bar immigration, or send anyone back anywhere, but to pursue policies that speed the process of community integration, and tackle the social exclusion of the 'indigenous' population so that people don't feel that there problems are being disregarded.

Firstly when talking about the over population and immigrants for return, i was talking about the population of Britain as a whole. As far as immigrants doing the jobs we don't want to do, this is not true. Only a small proportion are filling these jobs. Many of our workers are having to find work abroad, because immigrants have taken their jobs. The NHS is a good example. Builders are now facing this problem as have been featured on BBC Working Lunch. Foreign workers can be paid less than the usual going rate for British workers, but still a lot more than the immigrants are used to. Many lines of work are being affected. Also, it was obvious i wasn't referring to people who are born in this country to leave and that is a lame comment.

If you checkout Working Lunch, Newsnight, Panorama, Dispatches etc then you would know this is fact and not tabloid hysteria. Even Sir Digby Jones has criticised the government for ignoring this too!

[skyhigh247]

One point to add. I think people can easily use the race card when people are not really making a racist comment, though i do agree people need to tread carefully.

[Cherguevara]

Originally Posted by skyhigh247

Firstly when talking about the over population and immigrants for return, i was talking about the population of Britain as a whole. As far as immigrants doing the jobs we don't want to do, this is not true. Only a small proportion are filling these jobs.

It is. I've spoken to many Polish people willing to travel to northern Scotland for only the chance of getting a crap job in a service industry in an underpopulated area, or do other things that no sensible person would consider doing for work.

Many of our workers are having to find work abroad, because immigrants have taken their jobs. The NHS is a good example.

No it isn't. It's a terrible example. There was a long term shortage of trained doctors and nurses, so the government offered visas for them to come here. Then the government started to fund a sustainable level of medical degrees, which people graduated from just as the NHS was undergoing a cash flow problem. That's not immigrations fault but the governments mistimed NHS 'moderisation' prgramme. If we hadn't had immigrant clinicians we'd have had a much poorer health service for the last 40 years.

Builders are now facing this problem as have been featured on BBC Working Lunch. Foreign workers can be paid less than the usual going rate for British workers, but still a lot more than the immigrants are used to.

How much of this is simply because there is a widespread (and partially justified) belief that British trademen are untrustworthy cowboys. If they want their business back do the work properly and charge a fair price for it.

Also, it was obvious i wasn't referring to people who are born in this country to leave and that is a lame comment.

It obviously wasn't that obvious, and if this is what you mean I would advise you to be more careful in the language you use. You might get a reputation you don't want.

If you checkout Working Lunch, Newsnight, Panorama, Dispatches etc then you would know this is fact and not tabloid hysteria. Even Sir Digby Jones has criticised the government for ignoring this too!

I'm not saying immigration isn't a relevent issues in our society, but simply stating that immigrants wouldn't come if there weren't some need for them, and that banning them coming doesn't work (look at America where the government is eventually going to have to issue an amnesty for its millions of illegal Mexican immigrants for what not to do), so we should attempt to move beyond unworkable solutions and divisive rhetoric to find a workable and equiatable solution for all.

But why try to solve a problem when it's so much more fun to scapegoat people.

[SmartCity]

It's always difficult to talk about things like this without sounding racist. I live in Leeds near Leeds Bradford airport, I visited Bradford for the first time in about five years about three or four weeks ago. The place is an utter dump, why? The Pakistan and Bangladesh community have run the place down to such an extent that business' don't want to invest in the city any longer. Instead of these communities integrating into 'British' society they have segregated themselves apart. I use to be a frequent visitor to Oldham before my best mate from Middleton died of epilepsy. Oldham and Rochdale are just smaller Bradford's. If these communities are serious about being British then they need to adapt to the British way of life rather than trying to create a 'little Pakistan' within our towns and cities otherwise what's the point of them living here?

Sorry I forgot to add.. whilst in Leeds the other week, I was ejected from a bar for asking to see a bouncers ID. After saying I would report his conduct, he just replied i'll just say you called me a B**k Bastard.

[leebuk2005]

Originally Posted by skyhigh247

Just a small reminder of Oldham's past, many of the people who worked in the mills in not so great conditions, making this country rich were imigrants. We do have to remember this and we couldn't have done without them.

However, today there are too many immigrants coming in and that includes any immigrant from any country. This is only an island and per square mile, we are officially one of 'the' most densely populated countries in the world. Not only time to close the gates, but time to offload some also.

Not so true Oldham was the country's main cotton spinning town before the war. It was our grandparents and great grandparents that worked so hard in very poor conditions to make this country as rich as it was. Immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh came after the war when the mills were in steep decline because of cheaper labour elsewhere in the world.

[scproductions]

Originally Posted by Isaac Newell

Oldham's doomed.

you are using my words against me by twisting what i said.

i have to watch what i say now cos i will SERIOUSLY explode over this.

people move away from them because we know what they are like. they refuse to associate with us.

when you live on an estate which suddenly becomes 98% asian you quickly become alienated (no matter what race you are) due to their sheer lack of respect they have for the area they live in and for all white people who live there, resulting in you wanting to move.

i dont bloody care what you say Isaac... if you live on an estate in Oldham which suddenly becomes asian you WOULD DEFINATATELY move and I say that as FACT. until you experience it you cannot comment.

i only have one asian family on my estate... and you cant half tell. they havent cut their grass for 5 months, they do not talk to any of the neighbours (despite the neighbours trying to communicate with them), and their children run accross other people's properties on a daily basis. HELL OF A COINCIDENCE.

i think you'll find hardly any of oldham's population disagree with what i am saying (or people from blackburn).

I feel many asians abuse how british people accept all races from around the world. british people are so scared to offend other races that they feel like anything they say against asians is racist. whenever british people make any challenge against an asian (in oldham anyway) the asian accuses the white person of being racist... and yet they can call us "white trash".

My child was spat on by an asian in a car as she left school one day, to which she replied "that is absolutely desgusting", the asian then replied with "are you being racist to me?"

hyperthetically Isaac... would you choose to move onto a fully asian estate in oldham? (dont use excuses such as "work", "family", "friends" as its a hyperthetical situation)