Oldham Thread

[leebuk2005]

Originally Posted by scproductions

you are using my words against me by twisting what i said.

i have to watch what i say now cos i will SERIOUSLY explode over this.

people move away from them because we know what they are like. they refuse to associate with us.

when you live on an estate which suddenly becomes 98% asian you quickly become alienated (no matter what race you are) due to their sheer lack of respect for the area they live in and for all white people who live there, resulting in you wanting to move.

i dont bloody care what you say Isaac... if you live on an estate in Oldham which suddenly becomes asian you WOULD DEFINATATELY move and I say that as FACT. until you experience it you cannot comment.

i only have one asian family on my estate... and you cant half tell. they havent cut their grass for 5 months, they do not talk to any of the neighbours (despite the neighbours trying to communicate with them), and their children run accross other people's properties on a daily basis. HELL OF A COINCIDENCE.

i think you'll find hardly any of oldham's population disagree with what i am saying (or people from blackburn).

hyperthetically... would you choose to move onto a fully asian estate in oldham? (dont use excuses such as "work, family friends" as its a hyperthetical situation)

Actualy my neighbours are asians they are neither good nor bad and the only asian family on the estate. Its just the way white middle class politicians look after them a lot better than white majority in Oldham wwhat pisses me off. Its ok when the fucking do gooders are tooked away in there lovely countryside houses somewhere in cheshire while Oldham is burning whith riots because they local communities hate each other. The council and there highly paid executives are a bunch of tossers.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by Cherguevara

It is. I've spoken to many Polish people willing to travel to northern Scotland for only the chance of getting a crap job in a service industry in an underpopulated area, or do other things that no sensible person would consider doing for work.



No it isn't. It's a terrible example. There was a long term shortage of trained doctors and nurses, so the government offered visas for them to come here. Then the government started to fund a sustainable level of medical degrees, which people graduated from just as the NHS was undergoing a cash flow problem. That's not immigrations fault but the governments mistimed NHS 'moderisation' prgramme. If we hadn't had immigrant clinicians we'd have had a much poorer health service for the last 40 years.



How much of this is simply because there is a widespread (and partially justified) belief that British trademen are untrustworthy cowboys. If they want their business back do the work properly and charge a fair price for it.



It obviously wasn't that obvious, and if this is what you mean I would advise you to be more careful in the language you use. You might get a reputation you don't want.



I'm not saying immigration isn't a relevent issues in our society, but simply stating that immigrants wouldn't come if there weren't some need for them, and that banning them coming doesn't work (look at America where the government is eventually going to have to issue an amnesty for its millions of illegal Mexican immigrants for what not to do), so we should attempt to move beyond unworkable solutions and divisive rhetoric to find a workable and equiatable solution for all.

But why try to solve a problem when it's so much more fun to scapegoat people.

All rubbish. So because you have spoken to a few Polish people you know it all. What utter rubbish. I am using fact based research and not media spin. Masses of trained doctors and nurses are getting jobs in Australia and other places as immigrants have taken the jobs here and that is from the heads of the NHS. They are frightened to saying anything because of repercussions from the governenment. Sir Digby Jones when boss of the CBI said businesses were off loading UK workers to take on cheaper labour. This is not scaremongering, it's researched facts. And that is from somebody who was the head of the Business Institute who meets with the government and advises them. He said the government just don't listen. Now you can come out with all the unresearched rubbish you like, but when people who have access to the real figures are complaining about it, then how can you argue against it. Only a dick would do that. It's like arguing a cardboard box is made of plastic, it's a futile argument.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by leebuk2005

Not so true Oldham was the country's main cotton spinning town before the war. It was our grandparents and great grandparents that worked so hard in very poor conditions to make this country as rich as it was. Immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh came after the war when the mills were in steep decline because of cheaper labour elsewhere in the world.

Cheers for that. And when the jobs went, the people didn't. That's when the social breakdown comes. Of course if we could tax foreign imports a little then maybe it would help, but the Nazi wankers of Europe couldn't allow that. Africa even said, it doesn't need aid, it just needs to be able to sell it goods, but the EU said no.

Britain should have it's own laws, human rights and full control of it's country. Fxxk the EU!!

[monkey_rat]

Everyone's opinion is valid, no matter how controversial, for you are only leds to them by your own experience, something largely out of your own hands, but stuff like this:

Originally Posted by scproductions

i only have one asian family on my estate... and you cant half tell. they havent cut their grass for 5 months, they do not talk to any of the neighbours (despite the neighbours trying to communicate with them), and their children run accross other people's properties on a daily basis. HELL OF A COINCIDENCE.

seriously?

So the family is a bunch of c*nts. It has nothing to do with their racial background, there are a hell of a lot of white families who treat their neighbours with similar disrespect and if you haven't stopped to consider that, which seems to be the case, that's almost too depressing to even contemplate.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by monkey_rat

Everyone's opinion is valid, no matter how controversial, for you are only leds to them by your own experience, something largely out of your own hands, but stuff like this:




seriously?

So the family is a bunch of c*nts. It has nothing to do with their racial background, there are a hell of a lot of white families who treat their neighbours with similar disrespect and if you haven't stopped to consider that, which seems to be the case, that's almost too depressing to even contemplate.

Yes i thought it was a strange comment. Half the gardens in north Manchester are not maintained, but it has nothing to do with race. I don't think immigrants are any worse or better than British people. It's the over population were facing and undercutting of British workers that trouble me.

[scproductions]

Originally Posted by monkey_rat

Everyone's opinion is valid, no matter how controversial, for you are only leds to them by your own experience, something largely out of your own hands, but stuff like this:




seriously?

So the family is a bunch of c*nts. It has nothing to do with their racial background, there are a hell of a lot of white families who treat their neighbours with similar disrespect and if you haven't stopped to consider that, which seems to be the case, that's almost too depressing to even contemplate.

my point is that my whole estate consists of white people who keep the estate tidy and care for their houses and gardens. the ONLY scruffy house on the entire estate is the house owned by the asian family.

now you can use excuses such as "some white people are also messy" (which is true) but i find it to be a hell of a coincidence that the ONLY scruffy house on the entire estate is asian owned.

I dont live on a council estate. every house is a recently built detatched house and some can command up to £300,000. Therefore they are hardly a "poor" family. all i ask if for them to cut the grass every month, socialise with neighbours, and respect other people's properties (like every other person does on the estate) then i will be happy... but they dont.

there is a reason why house prices fall when asians move onto housing estates. i'm not saying this to be racist i'm saying this as fact. house prices in oldham fall when asians move into them.

again, i find it to be a hell of a coincidence that the ONLY messy house on my estate is that of an asian family.

[leebuk2005]

London, England (can you beleive it)
Those placards were not promoting a peacefull protest 'europe your 9/11 is near' , lock em up and throw away the key.

[skyhigh247]

Yeah it's getting very crazy this country. How is it ordinary peaceful protests get banned and yet protests like this are allowed. Very odd. Maybe political correctness gone mad. And they wonder why the BNP keep getting more support in many areas.

[scproductions]

Originally Posted by leebuk2005

London, England (can you beleive it)
Those placards were not promoting a peacefull protest 'europe your 9/11 is near' , lock em up and throw away the key.

desgusting... i cannot understand why they come here if they hate the west so much. its so Hypocritical.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by scproductions

desgusting... i cannot understand why they come here if they hate the west so much. its so Hypocritical.

I agree. It's time they pissed off to a muslim country if they don't like it. This country is a christian country, the Head Of State is the head of the Church Of England. Now, other faith believers live happy lives here so what's the big deal with Islam. They will only be happy when Islam is the number one faith. I would personally like to ban all religion in this country, but that's just my view and isn't a real ideal. We have got to stop the flood of immigrants coming in (from anywhere) for starters and put tougher controls on religious groups. After all, faith is independent from all this whatever religion you follow. Whereas religious groups are political brainwashing and nothing else. They are fanatical wankers who need dealing with and not left to their own devices.

[leebuk2005]

This country has made some BIG MISTAKES.

[SmartCity]

Originally Posted by scproductions

i live in oldham too and i have to say that i do agree with you.

i think the main problem is intergration... asians just dont want to do it.

the vast majority of people in britain dont have any problems with black people, or chinese, or polish, or ukranian... its just the muslim-asians. Thats a HELL of a coincidence.

They turn it around on us and make out that it is we who do not wish to have anything to do with them, but i dont believe that. Modern Britain and America are famous for accepting people of all race and cultures... but i just feel we cannot do that with asians.

We invite them to gatherings within the local community... but they dont attend.

My child invited his asian friend over to our house... but his parents banned it.

My friend was invited to her asian friend's house... but they only allowed her to enter if she wore a full veil.

Within schools they decide not to enter ANY extra curricular activities.

When police arrest asians for speeding or littering the asian people condem the police for "being racist".

Asians refuse to follow any british fashion.

Asians are generally scruffy and disrespectful (which can be seen whenever you walk through ANY asian estate)/

I just think its VERY hard for us to accept them when they announce (on a regular basis) that they are completely against western society and culture... even though they live in a western country.

I HATE how their culture says that women are inferior to men. I think it is unbelievably disrespectful when asian women wear a veil as i find it to be a symbol of segregation and i feel it COMPLETELY disrespects the women of britain who fought (to the death) for equal rights amongst men and women over the past hundred years.

I hate to sound racist, but when you live in Oldham (or any asian town) and you experience these things on a daily basis you begin to become sick of it.

I don't think you sound racist at all. Culturalist is a better way of putting it because I don't think it has anything to do with what their race is. I am a firm believer in the saying "when in Rome do as the Romans do". If this theory was applied here I don't think there would be a problem, but instead these people are allowed to do whatever they like, because if they do something that isn't liked they can just call the race card.

[SmartCity]

Originally Posted by leebuk2005

London, England (can you beleive it)
Those placards were not promoting a peacefull protest 'europe your 9/11 is near' , lock em up and throw away the key.

I don't think I would be able to walk down the road holding a placard saying "Iran will pay demolition on the way". Our society protects the wrong people and I am disturbed that these people were left to their own devices. (devices hmm - for want of a better word!)

[scproductions]

it worries me the way things are going in this country. these islamic groups are becoming far more fanatical as the years go by... and their numbers are increasing. i dont think you have to physically strap a bomb on your back to be classed as a terrorist... hatred such as this (in my opinion) is sufficient.

though i hope something like this doesnt happen again (although if it did i doubt it would ever be on such a scale that it once was) but the current situation in this country has certain parallels to the foundation of Nazi Germany.

[wiggleyleeds]

its seems a group of racists have hijacked this thread to spout of illogical rants.

[scproductions]

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds

its seems a group of racists have hijacked this thread to spout of illogical rants.

thats why you should go away.

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by leebuk2005

This country has made some BIG MISTAKES.

Don't you mean 'New Labour' has??

[skyhigh247]

Originally Posted by SMARTCITY

I don't think you sound racist at all. Culturalist is a better way of putting it because I don't think it has anything to do with what their race is. I am a firm believer in the saying "when in Rome do as the Romans do". If this theory was applied here I don't think there would be a problem, but instead these people are allowed to do whatever they like, because if they do something that isn't liked they can just call the race card.

Here here!!

[skyhigh247]

Back to Oldham town, are Oldham FC having a new stadium?

The old bus station, i think it's called Clegg St thought i'm not sure, are they going to close that with the other at West Street end or will they have 2 bus stations?

[wiggleyleeds]

Originally Posted by scproductions

thats why you should go away.

Ironically, its people like you, ill-educated, insular people with low acheivements and low expectations full of resentment and bitterness and anger that makes investers choose to invest in other cities and towns.

You're an embarresment, and your illogical hatred makes me cringe when reading it