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Old July 22nd, 2005, 01:24 PM   #1
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Supertalls

I just thought of this there. When we talk about supertalls we're usually talking about a building taller than 300m in height but with the construction boom today there are supertalls popping up everywhere. Right now there are 31 supertalls according to emporis and according to Skyscraperpage there are about 25 under construction at the moment. We know there are probably even more not on the lists yet so soon we'll have over 100. The name "supertall" just doesn't seem to be so special anymore and I think that this name should be reserved for only a select few. What do you think?

The thing is though, that all these new tall buildings are somewhere between 300 and 350m in height but a building taller than the Empire state building is still pretty rare. So for me, the new definition of "supertall" is taller than the ESB which is 381m (ESB included ).

So according to this the supertalls that exist are:

Taipei 101 - 509m
Petronas Towers - 452m
Sears - 442m
Jin Mao - 421m
2IFC - 415m
Citic Plaza - 391m
Shun Hing Square - 384m
Empire State Building - 381m

The ones UC:

Burj Dubai - at least 705m
Freedom Tower - 541m
Busan Lotte Tower - 494m
Shanghai World Financial Center - 492m
Union Square 7 - 484m
Al Bait Towers - 485m
The Trump tower in Chicago - 415m
Dalian International Trade Center - 420m
Federation tower in Moscow - 420m
The Trump tower in Chicago - 415m

What do you think of this. Do you agree that a supertall (300m+) tower isn't so special anymore?


BTW I'm counting spires just to make this list a bit bigger

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Old July 22nd, 2005, 01:35 PM   #2
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What do you think of this. Do you agree that a supertall (300m+) tower isn't so special anymore?
I don't agree at all.
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 01:45 PM   #3
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I don't know. I suppose it depends on where it more than anything. I mean, if a skyline has about 10 of these, then it isn't but if there is only one which stands out from the rest of the towers in the skyline, then of course it is something impressive.
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Old July 22nd, 2005, 01:49 PM   #4
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I don't agree at all.
hehe, i can't imagine why!

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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:29 AM   #5
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In all of the entire world, there's only 32 buildings built or under contruction 300m or taller, out of the tens of millions of buildings built around the planet, and you don't think they're supertall?

What the heck are you drinking? Can I have some?
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 01:46 AM   #6
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I think a supertall is taller than 400m.
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:09 PM   #7
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No 1000ft/300m sounds about right. I think it still matters, especially. I mean, how many cities will have one or more? Still not that many in the greater context of things.
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM   #8
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No 1000ft/300m sounds about right. I think it still matters, especially. I mean, how many cities will have one or more? Still not that many in the greater context of things.
I suppose you're right. Still not many cities will have them but we definitely shouldn't count spires then, only roof height. So no more
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 01:22 PM   #9
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I agree with you. Antennaes shouldn't count in roof height. Spires too.
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Old July 23rd, 2005, 07:04 PM   #10
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I dont quite regard Shun Hing as a supertall.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 03:31 AM   #11
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I agree with you. Antennaes shouldn't count in roof height. Spires too.
Agreed. Neither can count as counting either will inevitably lead to abuse (i.e. Freedom Tower version 2).
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Old July 24th, 2005, 04:01 AM   #12
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Anything 300m+

Any higher than that...puts a lot of tall buildings in the same league as an average 100m skyscraper.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 04:17 AM   #13
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What the heck are you drinking? Can I have some?
or what intarnation are you smoking? ....errr, and no thanks, I don't wan't some.

The arguments about whether of not a scraper no matter what size, should include it's height to roof, spire, antenna/antennae etc will go on forever on this site.

To be fair to malec, I agree somewhat on his defintition on what a supertall, should/could/would be, esp. those over 400m/1296ft.

BTW Besides this emoticon already posted, I think this one is pretty apt too:
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BTW Let's not forget some of those "supertalls" proposed amongst others in Pakistan, India and once again Dubai.

The Al Burj proposed for Dubai will reach 750m/2461ft to its highest spire and at this stage will be a residential tower. It's named The Pinnacle on emporis.com.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 09:55 AM   #15
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300m + for me.
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Old July 24th, 2005, 01:38 PM   #16
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Sorry I didn't mean for this to be turned into a debate.
I'm just saying that because there are so many 300m buildings under construction now, they'll eventually become like 200m were years ago, and 400m buildings will have the same stature as 300m ones had before.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 01:23 AM   #17
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BTW Let's not forget some of those "supertalls" proposed amongst others in Pakistan, India and once again Dubai.

The Al Burj proposed for Dubai will reach 750m/2461ft to its highest spire and at this stage will be a residential tower. It's named The Pinnacle on emporis.com.
Noida Tower the supertall planned in India.
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Old July 25th, 2005, 08:38 PM   #18
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Although its status is "Vision" on emporis.com, Noida would definitely be amazing if ever built.

There is info on 11 supertall visions for Tokyo, from 550m to 4,000m @ Tokyo Supertalls

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Sorry I didn't mean for this to be turned into a debate.
I'm just saying that because there are so many 300m buildings under construction now, they'll eventually become like 200m were years ago, and 400m buildings will have the same stature as 300m ones had before.
Yeah, it's all relative. Back @ the end of the 19th C., anything around 15-stories would have been amazingly tall. I guess the word "supertall" is self-explanatory though.

...and malec, it hasn't turned into a malicious debate. All is calm, all is good.
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Although its status is "Vision" on emporis.com, Noida would definitely be amazing if ever built.

There is info on 11 supertall visions for Tokyo, from 550m to 4,000m @ Tokyo Supertalls

Yeah, it's all relative. Back @ the end of the 19th C., anything around 15-stories would have been amazingly tall. I guess the word "supertall" is self-explanatory though.

...and malec, it hasn't turned into a malicious debate. All is calm, all is good.
4000m is not going to happen
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Old July 26th, 2005, 02:41 AM   #20
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That's why it's classified a "vision"...not a "proposal".
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