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Old July 26th, 2005, 03:01 AM   #21
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i think 300m+ is really tall, and 400m+ is a supertall. 400m really sorts the men out from the boys.
500m is another catorgory all together. maybe super duper talls?
and as for 600m+ , its hens teeth catorgory!
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Old July 26th, 2005, 03:07 AM   #22
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i think 300m+ is really tall, and 400m+ is a supertall. 400m really sorts the men out from the boys.
That's exactly what I've been saying. Today it's different than it was some years ago. Loads of 300m buildings are being built but not many 400m ones. The status has to change with time. Imagine 50 years from now if 300m buildings are as common as any and we still call them "supertalls". It wouldn't be a big deal now would it?
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Old July 26th, 2005, 03:25 AM   #23
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Ditto

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I agree with you. Antennaes shouldn't count in roof height. Spires too.
That is exactly what I think!!!!!!!!!!

The tower on the right should win.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 08:13 PM   #24
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^Agreed. When you include spires there are >60 300m+ towers built or under construction. Without spires, there's only 30.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 11:56 PM   #25
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That is exactly what I think!!!!!!!!!!

The tower on the right should win.
AGREE! The Sears Tower should be taller then the Petronas (who cheated to win the WTB title by putting a spire on top).
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Old July 27th, 2005, 01:54 AM   #26
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Tall is for me 200+
a super tall is 500+ for me
a mega tall is 800+for me
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Old July 27th, 2005, 03:09 AM   #27
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Suprtall IMO equals taller than the Library tower in LA, that's the lowest. (Library included)


Even in 10 years there will still only be a handfull of 1000 footers in the world, there are maybe 30 out there now, there will probably be 50 or 60 soon, I think the top 50 or 60 towers in the world are supertalls.


BTW CITIC and Shung are pretty cheap, ESB's roof is 200 feet past theirs and it's point is hudreds of feet above their top floors, their 2 points reach just past ESB's top floor.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 01:56 AM   #28
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I would consider the world top 100 tallest supertalls and the other skyscrapers just tall
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Old July 28th, 2005, 03:19 PM   #29
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well if a supertall is a tower taller than 300m then dubai alone would have 17 UC, approved, or finshed, for example, and imo that is just nothing special anymore.
i think a supertall should be 350+ , the idea of 381 (ESB) is ok as well...
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Old July 28th, 2005, 06:03 PM   #30
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thanks to trances for that list:
it shows the "supertalls" , though there might be some smaller mistakes...

#LIST: NUMBER OF TOWERS OVER 300M
List of Cities with towers at or over 300M at diff stages
Might be a little flawed and not 100% correct

But All Cites with towers over 300M

Chicago 9 - C-5 / UC-1 /A-1 / P-2
Shanghai 7 - C-1 / UC-2 /A- 3 / P-1
Hong Kong 6 - C-4 / UC-1 /A- 0 / P-1
NYC 5 - C-2 / UC-1 /A-1 / P-1
Kuala Lumpur 4 - C-3 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0 / H-1
Moscow 4 - C-0 / UC-2 /A-0 / P-2
Busan 3 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-2 / H-0
Shenzhen 2 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Kaohsiung 2 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Nanjing 2 - C-2 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Bangkok 2 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Nanjing 2 - C-0 / UC-2 /A-0 / P-0
Taipei 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Riyadh 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Houston 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Alanta 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Guangzhou 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Dalian 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Chongqing 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Wenzhou 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Los Angeles 1 - C-1 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0
Tianjin 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Gold Coast 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Beijing 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Mecca 1 - C-0 / UC-1 /A-0 / P-0
Tokyo 1 - C-0 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Seoul 1 - C-0 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Doha 1 - C-0 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Miami 1 - C-0 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-1
Pyongyang 1 - C-0 / UC-0 /A-0 / P-0 / H-1

Plus like 10 others cites with towers proposed not all realistic proposed are mentioned here

AND Top of the top
Dubai 17 - C-3 / UC-8 / A-6 / P 3

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Old July 28th, 2005, 06:35 PM   #31
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Oh Dubai, you're building 2X your next competitor. Just make a separate category
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Old July 28th, 2005, 06:46 PM   #32
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Do you agree that a supertall (300m+) tower isn't so special anymore?
No, here in Europe it's still very special...
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Old July 28th, 2005, 08:10 PM   #33
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Nice list...but yea it needs a bit of an update...chicago now has at least 2 approved.

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Old July 28th, 2005, 09:13 PM   #34
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Nice list...but yea it needs a bit of an update...chicago now has at least 2 approved.
Or maybe 3.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 10:50 PM   #35
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I'm sure alot of those Dubai Towers have spires. But I bet within 20 years Cities like NY, HK, Shanghai, Chicago etc. will have at least 10 300m to roof.

Chicago will have 8 to the roof soon enough
NY will have 7 If the new planned nassau tower on long island goes through ( we have to wait for the WTC and then we'll have more!)
Hong Kong Will have a bunch, Australia is getting there, Shanghai and Korean cities are crazy, hopefully some in Japan too.


But I think the 50 top in the world to roof should be supertalls.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 11:05 PM   #36
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I'm sure alot of those Dubai Towers have spires. But I bet within 20 years Cities like NY, HK, Shanghai, Chicago etc. will have at least 10 300m to roof.




thanks to malec for that compilation.

sorry i don't see many towers which would be less than 300m without its spire.

Al Burj, Proposed, 205F?, 850m+ ?


Burj Dubai, U/C, 160F (189?), 700m+ (800?)


Unnamed Res Tower, Proposed/Approved?, 110F, 400m+


23 Marina, UC/Approved?, 90F, 380m


Emirates Towers, Built, 54/56F, 309/355m


Emirates Hotel, Approved, 70F, 350m


Almas Tower, U/C, 65F, 350m


Torch Tower, Approved, 80F, 345m


Princess Tower, U/C, 90F, 340m


Najd Tower, U/C, 82F, ?m


Abbco Rotana Hotel, U/C, 72F, 333m


Al Durrah 2, Approved, 78F, 330m


One Central Park, Proposed/Approved?, 80F, 328m


Burj Al Arab, Built, 50F, 321m


Ocean Heights, UC/Approved?, 82F, 310m


Marina Gardens, Approved, 75F, ?m


Ahmed Abdul Rahim Al Attar Tower, U/C, 70F, ?m
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Old July 28th, 2005, 11:13 PM   #37
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Concerning the Dubai towers I count 11 from that list that are almost certain to be 300m to roof.

I'll knock off one tower as there are 3 there that aren't 100% approved yet and out of the 3 one'll probably be cancelled.

The Al Burj will be reduced in height considerably is what my mind tells me, but will still be over 300m to roof for sure.

So I say 10 is the final number here.

I can see Hong Kong and Shanghai having way more than this in the future though.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 11:40 PM   #38
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i can see some more for SZR, business bay and at least 1 more 300m for the marina.
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Old July 29th, 2005, 04:26 PM   #39
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romours and an ad in local paper say that there will be a new tower development in dubai, similar to JLT or JBR or Park Square, with a tower of 140F by KM properties, who have already proposed / approved another 140F for Park Square.

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Old July 29th, 2005, 04:48 PM   #40
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this city freaks me out.. sooner or later when all these 300m+ buildings are completed the city wont have any freakin sunlight during the day!......... ahh well its their problem hahaa!
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