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Old July 26th, 2005, 06:20 AM   #21
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Paved over?
Why?
Simple answer, ol fashioned streetcars got killed for some reason. Seattle had a big network of rail network and got paved over in the 1940's because of trolley buses took over.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 06:47 AM   #22
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I'll have to disagree about LA having the worst even though the city's freeways cover more of LA County haphazardly than its 75 miles of rail system.\

For me, the worst would have to go with Detroit. Not only is the D-DOT bus system a total piece of shit, the People Mover just sits in downtown not going anywhere at all. Even worse, there was a historic trolley line here in Detroit, and it got torn out because they don't know how to build near it, that was why it was losing revenue. I predict Detroit has already fallen below 900,000 people, making things even worse. They city already has been replaced by San Jose at the bottom of the ten largest cities in the U.S. list.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 06:50 AM   #23
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In the western world there simply is no doubt............DETROIT.

Ya, they are putting up casinos and stadiums downtown and they have a tiny like train that circle the business district {only goes one way} like an airport mover but thats it.
The People Mover recently got redone to run two ways; it also runs clockwise as opposed to predominatly counterclockwise from the get go. Even then, still ain't satisfied with two point eight miles in the system.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 07:10 AM   #24
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It was a waste of monet.........just a glorified tonkyatoy.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 08:51 AM   #25
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Paved over?
Why?

This happened all over the world (with exceptions, of course) Not simply an LA or North American phenomenon (although it hit North America particularly hard) People thought they were old fashioned, and since they were no longer profitable, they thought replacing them with buses would be cheaper and more modern.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:36 AM   #26
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it got paved over because it benefited more big businesses than trolleys did. You pave the road and you help the companies that make the pavement, the car companies, and oil companies. GM had a lot of busses, dupont had a lot of pavement, oil companies like Standard Oil had a lot of oil.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 12:04 PM   #27
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Well theres certainly none in Canada. I would say Los Angelas, or Seattle.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 07:31 PM   #28
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none of what in Canada? and Trolly buses are terrible...The worst ideas in Transit history.

1. Rubber Wheel Subway
2. Trolly Buses
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:56 PM   #29
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Of all the cities that I have been to Seattle has the worst public transit.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:04 PM   #30
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none of what in Canada? and Trolly buses are terrible...The worst ideas in Transit history.

1. Rubber Wheel Subway
2. Trolly Buses
3.?
Why rubber wheel subways as worst idea in transit history? We have an APM (rubber wheeled light rail) here that was so problematic.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:27 PM   #31
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none of what in Canada? and Trolly buses are terrible...The worst ideas in Transit history.
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What's so bad about trolley buses? I think trolley buses can fill a unique nitch were something more then just a bus is needed but not so much that a full blown rail system is required.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:42 PM   #32
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Heh.. have to say that New York got one of the worst wagons. Atleast it was in 1995, and seeing the pics. The wagons and stations in New York is so much of piss and it smells not good at all.

Oslo and Stockholm also got smelly subway system, but they clean the stations. Even though the stations are looking 1960 still, they smell atleast chloride than urine.

With newer trains and better station cleaning, it would be a very great system! New Yorkers, look at London, Paris or Köln ...
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Old August 10th, 2005, 11:53 AM   #33
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los angeles, is a massive urban sprawl

full of highways, if u live there and u cant afford a car, you're basically screwed

the city lacks neighborhood sense, because is nothing but highways

so is not like paris, or nyc or london where u can stroll down the street and discover the different neighborhoods etc

in LA all u got in cars and highways.
I couldnt of sumed it up better.

LA died in the 50s.
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Old August 10th, 2005, 11:56 AM   #34
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I'll have to disagree about LA having the worst even though the city's freeways cover more of LA County haphazardly than its 75 miles of rail system.\

For me, the worst would have to go with Detroit. Not only is the D-DOT bus system a total piece of shit, the People Mover just sits in downtown not going anywhere at all. Even worse, there was a historic trolley line here in Detroit, and it got torn out because they don't know how to build near it, that was why it was losing revenue. I predict Detroit has already fallen below 900,000 people, making things even worse. They city already has been replaced by San Jose at the bottom of the ten largest cities in the U.S. list.
Wow.Ive herd about this people mover in Detroit.Doesnt it only go in one direction?

Portland is ment to have a great transportation system.I guess more cities shoud follow its lead.

When I was in New York I found the subway to be dirty,old and sometimes dangerous but very very reliable and it covered just about anywhere
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Old August 11th, 2005, 12:51 AM   #35
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Portland has a good transit system...........by American standards.
There are few US cities that have transit systems that truly offer excellent service.
Portland is good but the ridership levels are not that great.

For a city of 5million in the wealthist country in the world {Detroit} not to have any form of mass/rapid transit is beyond reason. Many of the US cities that are creating rapid transit are cities that should have had them 30 years ago.
Its great that they are now being built but by world standards the ridership levels on these new lines are laughably low.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 03:11 AM   #36
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Heh.. have to say that New York got one of the worst wagons. Atleast it was in 1995, and seeing the pics. The wagons and stations in New York is so much of piss and it smells not good at all.

Oslo and Stockholm also got smelly subway system, but they clean the stations. Even though the stations are looking 1960 still, they smell atleast chloride than urine.

With newer trains and better station cleaning, it would be a very great system! New Yorkers, look at London, Paris or Köln ...
Paris & London old metro stations smell very bad!!
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Old August 11th, 2005, 03:17 AM   #37
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HAHAHA, Detroit...The People Mover, wtf is that HAHAHA that's a disgrace.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 03:27 AM   #38
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Yeah with out a doubt its Detroit.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 08:55 AM   #40
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Well I wouldnt say its lack of rail has much to do with being a post-modern city. LA once had the largest rail system in the world. And it was taken away from us, and paved over.
Actually, I've heard that claim before and from many "semi-official" sources, but it's really just a mis-interpretation. It was, at one point, the largest mix-mode single company rail network based on track length in the world, but then many other cities had their networks split into different companies, and especially when other modes were also on offer (subway/underground, suburban etc) combined they were much larger.

LA at it's peak had a very large network, with 1100miles of track. This was never a metro, but a suburban/commuter tram service.

It never exceeded the length of track of London, Paris or many other cities when combining their metro's with their suburban/commuter rail networks and their tram networks. London in particular had an enormous tram network at the time as well.
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