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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:32 AM   #61
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I don't find its appearance to be all that different from Skyneedle and especially 7SD. All were very tall and slender with long masts on the top that made them seem to soar infinatly above. And like 7SD the FH Spire is very glassy, modern, and light in color. I think it will be an awesome addition to Chicago and add both height and verity to an already great skyline.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:33 AM   #62
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Although the design is not VERY Chicago, the fact that it is on a massive scale makes it Chicago.
Brilliant observation.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:37 AM   #63
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I don't find its appearance to be all that different from Skyneedle and especially 7SD.
I was thinking the same, except for the "twisting" aspect of Calatrava's design.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:41 AM   #64
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^ I like this so much better than both the Skyneedle and 7SD.

Skyneedle was beautiful and would have been the ultimate throwback. King Kong would have had to come back to scale the building that trumped ESB. But it was not a forward-looking design.

7SD, I have to admit, I don't like the design of. It looks like a past idea of what the future would look like, quaint and kind of stale before it was even built.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:45 AM   #65
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And Fordham might be real, bona fide "futurism."
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:45 AM   #66
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Sounds awesome for Chi-town, but hey Jo, since when is Toronto part of America?


it's close, I meant North america really, I think the US and Canada are the same team pretty much, T Dot is closer to NY than Chicago is
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:55 AM   #67
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Argh, I can't wait to see the detailing on this thing.

I'm also very happy that, as the person who's generally poo-pooing things in Chicago and reminding people of the dark side of the city, I get to be a cheerleader on something.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 09:57 AM   #68
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This is wonderful not only for the obvious fact of having the tallest building in the country built by one of the most famous architects in the world on our lakefront, but because with TTC and Waterview, this is really going to transform the feeling of the Chicago skyline. We're not going to be dominated by International Style obelisks anymore--we've got TTC, an unmistakeably modern, if conservative, tower; Waterview, an intimate, feminine counterpart to Chicago's broad-shouldered existing supertalls; and the Calatrava, whose ultra-modernism will hopefully plot the course for other towers that will once again make Chicago an architectural trailblazer.

Not to mention that the Chicago River will now be undeniably the coolest urban corridor that has ever existed.
Good post

Point well taken... perhaps a lot of my opinion stems from my dislike at some of the awkward, twisty, crystalline shapes some modern, European-style towers are taking, that this tower takes its design cue from...

I guess that's my real grouse... its too, well, European. A mimic/extrapolation on a Euro theme. Would fit in well in London or wherever, but not as much Chicago.

Its too random. I for one would rather have a ultra-modernist outlook on a the more traditional Chicago styles than something completely different. Chicago can very well blaze an architectural trail that isn't a complete rejection of the very forms and styles Chicago made famous.

I wouldn't even mind an ultra-modern stalagmite looking glass shard thing if it was completely trailblazing, which I don' think this is, or if it better reenforced the skyline.


But to clarify, I'd much rather see this tower built than not. If only to raise the bar, literally, for newer projects...

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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:24 AM   #69
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^ That's a well-thought-out position.

I guess my response would be that, a hundred and twenty years after we invented modern architecture and thirty years after the death of internationalism, it's time for us to move on. We don't have to be minimalists forever.

I agree that we should continue to cultivate a unique architectural persona, and though I don't think Fordham Spire conflicts overly with the one we have right now, I also agree with you that it is not a screamingly Chicago building. But, then again, are any of the cutting-edge buildings being put up now specific to their location? Or maybe I'll rephrase that, because the gaudiness of East Asia and the extraordinary flamboyance of the Middle East (read: Dubai) are, in fact, very location-specific: are any cutting-edge Western buildings being put up now specific to their location? Maybe you could argue London is in the lead, identify it that way--but it certainly doesn't own the genre. Swiss Re could be in Sweden, or Australia; 80 South Street certainly doesn't say New York to me. Likewise, if Fordham Spire weren't in Chicago, it could be in New York, London--well, maybe that's it. Two thousand feet is an exclusive club.

I hope each city does begin to define itself more specifically within the broad category of cutting-edge architecture. Maybe it's too early for that to have happened yet. Does anyone know of any articles or essays on these latest architectural trends?
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:31 AM   #70
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It bugs me that the NYT has to get the scoop...

Let's see. 115 stories -20 for hotel=80, too slender for parking but let's say a five-story base. So 75 stories of condos, "200 to 250 condominiums," that's three per floor on average, and likely a lot of full floor ones! These will be wonderful.

And this beautiful slender thing, together with the Waterview girl... Death to hateful P.O.S. boxy modernism!!! (Which is only associated with Chicago, btw, because this is where Mies van der Rohe ended up after the war...)

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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:34 AM   #71
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Chicago could potentially have three 1000+ plus buildings under construction at the same time. Take that, Dubai.
don't bore me
dubai has 6 under c right now and will have about 11 next year


but why does this design also have a huge spire?
boring to use a massive spire to make it the tallest by far
the design itself is great though
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:38 AM   #72
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It is the tallest by roof height.

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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:40 AM   #73
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Man, that's humbling about Dubai. That city is building on an absolutely legendary scale.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:46 AM   #74
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Deleted post as to not turn this into a versus thread. The focus is Fordham. Continue...
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:54 AM   #75
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you have your opinion
i have mine
and you say this without having a detailed render

we have the same architects here as anywhere in the world


back to topic please
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:55 AM   #76
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don't bore me
dubai has 6 under c right now and will have about 11 next year


but why does this design also have a huge spire?
boring to use a massive spire to make it the tallest by far
the design itself is great though


stop arguing about who's city is better for god's sake, it's childish, this isn't a thread about dubai, it's athread about chicago.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 10:56 AM   #77
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well, i didn't start it
we always have to swallow such dumb ass comments which i quoted
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Old July 26th, 2005, 11:13 AM   #78
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^Dubai_Lover didn't start it.

Dubai has some impressive projects in the works. Let's just keep the focus on Fordham.
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Old July 26th, 2005, 11:19 AM   #79
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Does anyone think we're gonna get any criticism for surpassing Freedom Tower?
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Old July 26th, 2005, 11:38 AM   #80
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Does anyone think we're gonna get any criticism for surpassing Freedom Tower?
If we do, why should we care? Let NY get their panties in a wad if they want to... Chicago will always stand on its own anyway, no diss to NY... it should as well.
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