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Old July 27th, 2005, 07:09 PM   #1
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The Desire for Tallest Building Persists

Good article on building tall in the post-9/11 world...

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The Desire for Tallest Building Persists


At 1,667 feet, Taipei 101 tower in Taiwan is the world's tallest building.

By ROBIN POGREBIN
Published: July 27, 2005

Given the haunting image of the collapsing twin towers, it's hard for many Americans to fathom the enduring urge to build tall.

Yet now come plans for the nation's tallest skyscraper, a condominium and hotel building designed by Santiago Calatrava for Chicago's Near North lakefront. At 2,000 feet, the building, the Fordham Spire, would beat out the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower planned for ground zero.

Internationally, both of these designs are dwarfed by the Burj Tower under construction in Dubai, which is expected to reach 2,300 feet. Once completed, the Burj will overtake Taipei 101, a 1,667-foot office tower, as the world's tallest. And the Taipei building is certainly a short-time record holder; only in October did it surpass the 1,483-foot Petronas Towers in Malaysia.

"There are real bragging rights to being the tallest that go back 3,000 years," said Carol Willis, the founder and director of the Skyscraper Museum in Manhattan. "Exceeding or exalting for spiritual reasons or a demonstration of power dates back from Babylon on - wanting to take a place in history, reserve a place in the timeline. Height is a fixation."

For all the talk about jitters deterring potential tenants of a future Freedom Tower, the 9/11 terrorist attack has done little or nothing to diminish a global appetite to touch the sky. "The number of tall buildings being built around the world is at an all-time high," said Ron Klemencic, chairman of the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat, a professional group.

Chicago already has three of the 15 tallest buildings in the world: the Sears Tower, the John Hancock Center and Aon Center.

"The skyscraper was born in Chicago," said Christian K. Narkiewicz-Laine, director and president of the Chicago Athenaeum: Museum of Architecture and Design. "The whole concept of the skyscraper has always been indigenous to the city."

Developers are planning four buildings of around 80 stories in the city, Mr. Klemencic said. (The Fordham Spire is to rise to 115 stories by 2009.) Miami, San Francisco and Las Vegas are also in the midst of bustling high-rise construction.

David M. Childs of Skidmore Owings & Merrill, the architect who designed the Freedom Tower, said he was not at all troubled by the notion that its height would be eclipsed by that of Mr. Calatrava's building. "More power to him," he said.

Mr. Childs pointed out that under current Federal Aviation Administration rules, Mr. Calatrava's proposed 2,000-foot tower is as tall as any building is allowed to be. And the Freedom Tower was not meant to be higher, given the patriotic symbolism of 1,776 feet mandated by Daniel Libeskind's master plan. Mr. Childs designed the roof and rooftop parapet to match the height of the two original World Trade Center buildings (1,362 feet and 1,368 feet); the antenna completes the distance to the top.

But the developer behind Burj Tower, Balfour Beatty, has made clear his intention to set - and keep - the record for the world's tallest building. "If anyone comes close," Ms. Willis said, "they'll build a taller spire."

That, of course, raises that perennial question in the skyscraper world: Does the spire count? Isn't it kind of cheating?

The Council on Tall Buildings, which certifies the tallest structures, has determined that the spire counts if it is "integral to the architecture of the building," Mr. Klemencic said.

"If you take off the top of the Chrysler Building, it doesn't look like the Chrysler Building anymore," he explained. "But if you take the antennas off the Hancock Tower, it still looks like the Hancock Tower."

The Freedom Tower's spire is expected to set off some squabbling. "I'm sure there will be heated debate," Mr. Klemencic said.

The 2,000-foot-high Calatrava building in Chicago, to be built by the developer Christopher T. Carley, would be 1,458 feet without its spire - only eight feet taller than the Sears Tower.

Architecture buffs revel in the lore of such competition, recalling how the Chrysler Building beat out the Bank of Manhattan tower in 1929 with the last-minute hoisting of a secretly planned stainless steel top. In 1931, of course, the Chrysler was bested by the Empire State Building, which yielded the title to the World Trade Center four decades later.

While the Calatrava building may be major news for the country, experts say it is old hat for much of the rest of the world, particularly Asia. Hong Kong, with its notorious population density, has more skyscrapers than New York, Ms. Willis said, and its residential buildings typically reach 60 stories these days.

Along Shanghai's jostling skyline, plans are under way for an 1,614-foot tower, China's tallest, as part of the Shanghai World Financial Center. "They're not afraid of height at all," Ms. Willis said of developers in Asia. "There is no anxiety. They both need the space and want the attention."

Some New Yorkers no doubt remain deeply wary of living or working in skyscrapers in the aftermath of 9/11. More than any other building, the Freedom Tower is a natural locus for fears of a violent recurrence.

But architectural experts say that in general, plenty of people and institutions will succumb to the spell of an architecturally prominent tall building, not to mention the view. "All you need is the right number of people with sufficient money," Ms. Willis said.


At about 2,000 feet tall, the Fordham Spire would be the tallest building in the United States when all building elements are counted.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 07:26 PM   #2
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If 2000 ft is the limit we'll eventually have some ties, no?
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If 2000 ft is the limit we'll eventually have some ties, no?
The 2000 ft. height limit seems to be only in place in America due to the FAA restrictions. So far only Fordham Spire is the only tower that is currently proposed to be that height, and Freedom Tower is only 1776 ft (if they're still going to follow the independance day number). I doubt mnay other cities will make a push for 2000 ft. after Chicago, Miami, NYC, Chicago and Las Vegas are the only cities I see having a possibility to do that. But Buj Dubai will be at least over 2000 ft. and many other projects in Dubai and in Asia are going to be over 2000 ft. in the future.
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Old July 27th, 2005, 11:23 PM   #5
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The 2000 ft. height limit seems to be only in place in America due to the FAA restrictions. So far only Fordham Spire is the only tower that is currently proposed to be that height, and Freedom Tower is only 1776 ft (if they're still going to follow the independance day number). I doubt mnay other cities will make a push for 2000 ft. after Chicago, Miami, NYC, Chicago and Las Vegas are the only cities I see having a possibility to do that. But Buj Dubai will be at least over 2000 ft. and many other projects in Dubai and in Asia are going to be over 2000 ft. in the future.

Give it a vote in thread: The best candidate for World Tallest Buildings in USA
I created this long ago and I knew Chicago is once again persisting to pursuit its place for the WTB titles.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 12:16 AM   #6
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I think that its stupid to worry about being in a tall building because of terrorists a plane can fly into a 50 story building just like it can a 115 story building. And thats just giving into the terrorists thats what they want is for you to be afarid.
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Old July 28th, 2005, 01:40 AM   #7
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The 2000 ft. height limit seems to be only in place in America due to the FAA restrictions. So far only Fordham Spire is the only tower that is currently proposed to be that height, and Freedom Tower is only 1776 ft (if they're still going to follow the independance day number). I doubt mnay other cities will make a push for 2000 ft. after Chicago, Miami, NYC, Chicago and Las Vegas are the only cities I see having a possibility to do that. But Buj Dubai will be at least over 2000 ft. and many other projects in Dubai and in Asia are going to be over 2000 ft. in the future.
1)The 2,000 foot limit is meant for guyed masts in the middle of nowhere. Not skyscrapers in the middle of cities

2)All you have to do to get a variance is prove a tower won't be a hazard to navigation. A difficult task for radio masts (the things get hit by aircraft more often than you'd think) but an easy one for a self-supporting skyscraper.
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This is great news for all of us who love skyscrapers...I can't wait to see renderings of the Fordham Spire. I love Chicago's constant skyscraper growth.
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