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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:02 PM   #41
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The Second Avenue Subway is estimated to cost about $2 billion / mile, $1.25 billion / km!!
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Old November 24th, 2005, 05:59 PM   #42
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The fully underground and driverless North East Line with 6 car subway trains (20 kilometres, 16 stations) in Singapore costs S$4.6 Billion/US$2.722 Billion to build or US$136 Million per kilometre on average.

The fully underground and driverless Circle Line with 3 car subway trains (36.7 kilometres, 33 stations) in Singapore costs S$8.1 Billion/US$4.793 Billion to build or US$130 Million per kilometre on average.
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Old November 24th, 2005, 06:14 PM   #43
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The Second Avenue Subway is estimated to cost about $2 billion / mile, $1.25 billion / km!!
Holy shit, that´s 10 times the São Paulo avarage!!!!!!
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Old November 24th, 2005, 06:39 PM   #44
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The Second Avenue Subway is estimated to cost about $2 billion / mile, $1.25 billion / km!!
Holy shit, that´s 10 times the São Paulo average!!!!!!
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Old November 24th, 2005, 06:58 PM   #45
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The 6 km underground stretch in Malmö which is u/c right now costs about €190 million or US $225 million per kilometer...
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Old November 24th, 2005, 09:30 PM   #46
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0,00$ ... Riga has no Subway
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Old November 25th, 2005, 02:59 AM   #47
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Seattle is planning a 3.1-mile tunneled extension of the Central Link light rail line from Westlake Mall to the University of Washington. The present cost estimate is $1.7 billion. This works out to be $548 million per mile or $341 million per kilometer.
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Old November 25th, 2005, 03:34 AM   #48
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Holy shit, that´s 10 times the São Paulo average!!!!!!
Probably because labor in NYC costs nearly 10 times as much as it does in Sao Paulo! Part of the reason why New York's Subway has not had many expansions since the majority of it was completed in the 30s is because the cost of manual labor has skyrocketed.
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Old November 25th, 2005, 04:04 AM   #49
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Toronto's 6.4 kilometre Sheppard Subway line cost anywhere between C$142M and C$152M per kilometre depending on whose numbers and factors you use. This line used tunnel boring machines along most of its route beneath a major suburban thoroughfare.

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Old November 25th, 2005, 05:01 AM   #50
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Probably because labor in NYC costs nearly 10 times as much as it does in Sao Paulo! Part of the reason why New York's Subway has not had many expansions since the majority of it was completed in the 30s is because the cost of manual labor has skyrocketed.
I don't think that's the only reason though, labor costs aren't that much higher than in the rest of the western world. I think it's mostly bureaucracy, also it's probably more expensive to build under Manhattan because of how developed it is.
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Old November 25th, 2005, 06:16 AM   #51
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Hong Kong's West Rail
Distance : 30.5 km
# Stations : 9
Cost : HK $46.4 billion (about US $6 billion)

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Old November 25th, 2005, 11:41 AM   #52
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Thats so high.No wonder they have kept expanding the Heavy Rail System in Sydney rather than build a metro.
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Old November 25th, 2005, 07:31 PM   #53
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Well, now I know that when people around here claim that São Paulo has "the world´s most expensive subway" and blame it on corruption schemes, they´re wrong, at least about the first part!!!
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Old November 25th, 2005, 07:38 PM   #54
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Probably because labor in NYC costs nearly 10 times as much as it does in Sao Paulo! Part of the reason why New York's Subway has not had many expansions since the majority of it was completed in the 30s is because the cost of manual labor has skyrocketed.
Well I don´t know to which extent manual labour contributes to the cost of subway construction. I imagine technology and skilled labour, which tend to cost roughly the same worldwide, would be 90% of if.

I as far as I read, NY subway expanded mostly from 1905 to 1949 because those decades of expansion made the system huge enough, and after the 1950 most people bought a car.

To compare costs between São Paulo and a US city, meybe we should use Washington DC. Does any one have the construction costs for that city???
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Old November 26th, 2005, 02:31 AM   #55
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How much does your cost per km?...
That's a good question. It all depends who you ask. A greenie will do the happy dance and claim that subways are the cheapest form of transportation, maybe even cheaper then walking! On the other hand a public transportation skeptic (myself included) will have much less kind words to say. I've heard price quotes anywhere from $100 million to $1 billion per mile. That's a pretty wide spread.

The LA subway is the most expensive subway (cost per mile) in the world...from what I heard.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 03:04 PM   #56
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Does anyone have Washington??? China prices would be interesting too.
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Does anyone have Washington??? China prices would be interesting too.
Washington's Blue Line 3.1-mile extension wound up costing about $115M US per mile plus the costs of additional facilities such as park 'n ride lots.
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Old November 28th, 2005, 09:56 PM   #58
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Vancouver is building a new subway line from downtown that will spur with a line going to the Airport and anouther going to the suburb of Richmond the like is about 20km and will cost about 100milion per km.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 12:54 AM   #59
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Shenyang subway - line 1 will be 22 km long and will cost 9.48 billion yuan.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...7&postcount=44

9.48 billion yuan = US$1.17 billion
US$53 million / km
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Old November 29th, 2005, 05:11 AM   #60
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San Jose's Recent light rail expansion cost $60 milion/mile (mainly because of a $100 million tunnel). The proposed bart extension will cost ~$260million/mile
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