Baltic Triangle - Page 8

Scarecrow · February 5th, 2006, 09:33 PM

Do you folks want to move any future meetings to the Baltic?

woody · February 6th, 2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunnyman

Do you folks want to move any future meetings to the Baltic?

Good thinking, Every little helps, it would be very sad to see this this fine old pub close.

Doug Roberts · February 8th, 2006, 09:33 AM

Here is the first image of the Heaps Mill scheme, this site was spotted by Golden Vision on post 129, planning application 06f/0159. £60m joint venture between Surrey based developers, Bannertown, and Apollo Real Estate advisors, an international real estate fund based in the USA. 391 flats, 200 parking specs, refurbishment of Heaps Mill, a new public square and 200 construction jobs, sounds like a fantastic addition to the Baltic area.

A word of warning, the apartment block looks to be about 13/14 floors, could block the Wirral view of the cathedral, no doubt EH will have their say on this.

DJ Billy · February 8th, 2006, 10:33 AM

Good find Doug.

The height may not be a problem as I think it will be in pretty much the same sightline as the 14 storey L1 development

Toadboy · February 8th, 2006, 10:39 AM

looks about the right bulk and scale to work with the old warehouses etc.

The Holy Ghost has a bit about it in Business Week but I've left it at home.

Red scouser · February 8th, 2006, 01:10 PM

US firm takes stake in £60m development
Feb 8 2006
By Bill Gleeson Business Editor, Business Week

A UNITED States property fund has teamed up with a Surrey group to invest £60m in one of Liverpool's most prominent sites.

Heap's Rice Mill, situated within the city's Baltic Triangle and bordered by Rope Walks, the Paradise Street Development Area and King's Waterfront is to be transformed into a major residential complex by Apollo Bannertown, a joint venture company.

The four-building scheme, entirely funded by private money, includes 391 one and two bed apartments, 200 car parking spaces and the preservation and refurbishment of the historic Heap's Rice Mill. It also includes a landmark building overlooking Grosvenor's Paradise Street development, a new public square and gardens and the reinstatement of former roads on the site. Around 200 construction jobs will be created.

Jason Gray, from the Liverpool office of chartered surveyors Gerald Eve, brought the site to Apollo Bannertown's attention.

He said: "Its enviable position between King's Waterfront, Albert Dock and Paradise Street means it always offered the potential for a prestigious landmark development. It's within walking distance of some of Liverpool's key commercial and leisure destinations and close to a number of major development sites that will transform Liverpool over the next five years.

"The mill's architectural heritage meant we needed a developer with flair and imagination as well as financial muscle. This development is particularly in tune with the growing demands of city living and the images show just how well Apollo Bannertown has responded to this unique development opportunity." A planning application to develop the site has been submitted by scheme architects Bond Bryan and, if successful, work will begin on site in the summer with completion in 2008.

Apollo Bannertown is a consortium between Surrey-based property developers Bannertown and Apollo Real Estate Advisors, an international real estate fund management group based in the US.

Bannertown was founded in 1990 by a team of property industry professionals, headed by Tony Beadle and has a diverse portfolio of schemes across the country. Apollo has invested about £5bn over the past ten years.

scouserdave · February 8th, 2006, 01:25 PM

Great news Red. I thought Windsor Developments were proposing to do something similar a couple of years ago.

Paul D · February 8th, 2006, 05:45 PM

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The four-building scheme, entirely funded by private money, includes 391 one and two bed apartments, 200 car parking spaces and the preservation and refurbishment of the historic Heap's Rice Mill. It also includes a landmark building overlooking Grosvenor's Paradise Street development, a new public square and gardens and the reinstatement of former roads on the site. Around 200 construction jobs will be created.

That's a massive development isn't it,I'm glad this one's gone in for planning and I can't wait too see what it will look like.The Baltic triangle is starting too see a lot of investment and is going to be brilliant in the future.

JUXTAPOL · February 8th, 2006, 07:47 PM

Just comparing your image with this picture to see where this fits. Look's like they have added windows to Heaps mill to provide light to the apartments, which i think improves the look of the building, i like the modern build sprouting out above the old structure. The new development behind looks big and will be on the main road near to the Scandinavian Church.

JUXTAPOL · February 8th, 2006, 07:53 PM

Doug, Just comparing your image with this picture to see where this fits. Look's like they have added windows to Heaps mill to provide light to the apartments, which i think improves the look of the building, i like the modern build sprouting out above the old structure. The new development behind looks big and will be on the main road near to the Scandinavian Church.

This is the other side of Heaps Mill

Paul D · February 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM

That's a big improvement to the area I like it.

buggedboy · February 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM

has anyone got a panorama that has the approximate sightline of the Cathedral from behind Heaps Mill. Tnis is a great development but I am unfortunately worried that the Anti-Tall lobby will kick up a fuss.

I know this project is a similar size the the L1, but Ive got a feeling the antibloodysomethingorother lobby will try to strike this one down.

I can see a few Labour Councillors going against it, saying that it's too tall for the suburban style of the crummy affordable housing around there.

They tried this one with the Byrom St building thats gonig up on top iof Imperial Halls. Thankfully, they were ignored that time, but isnt this site within the Luxemburgian proportioned WHS "Buffer Zone"?

God, look what the heritage terrorists have done to me....my confidence is a bit wobbly.

Damn them.

scouserdave · February 9th, 2006, 03:26 PM

Taken last month. Heaps Mill is lower right.

[IMG]http://www.**************************/heaps001.jpg[/IMG]

JCM · February 9th, 2006, 08:48 PM

Breaking News......Crane to appear on the L1 / Baltic Triangle site around 15th February

westisbest · February 9th, 2006, 09:07 PM

Good, i wouldn't expect it to be any taller than the 1 in the above picture (red one)

Doug Roberts · February 10th, 2006, 10:18 AM

The image, from architects Bond Bryan site, is taken from the Park Lane side. The Greenberg building is to the right with the Scandanavian Church spire over to the left. The view shows the height of the building a lot better than the other one, I reckon this is about 16/17 storeys, I think EH will have something to say about this. In fact I will be amazed and delighted if it remains at this height, but with EH on the prowl now backed up by Warrens statement earlier in the week I think this plan will fall foul to the floor choppers!

tommygunn · February 10th, 2006, 11:02 AM

Thats seen as a downtown manhattan skyscraper in EH eyes.

Scarecrow · February 10th, 2006, 11:34 AM

Doesn't it also fall inside a tall (see Mythical) building zone?

Doug Roberts · February 10th, 2006, 11:50 AM

Bunny, no I don't think it does, fig 1 on page 12 shows the 3 locations for tall buildings, what a joke!!

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Images/tcm21-30647.pdf

Geborgenheit · February 10th, 2006, 12:20 PM

Baltic Triangle? Why such name? Any connection with the Baltics/Baltic states/Baltic sea ?

February 5th, 2006, 09:33 PM	#141
Scarecrow Revolutionary Man Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Outside Society Posts: 7,144 Likes (Received): 104	Do you folks want to move any future meetings to the Baltic? __________________ SSC is Full of Bad Wools

February 8th, 2006, 09:33 AM	#143
Doug Roberts Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,668 Likes (Received): 6	Here is the first image of the Heaps Mill scheme, this site was spotted by Golden Vision on post 129, planning application 06f/0159. £60m joint venture between Surrey based developers, Bannertown, and Apollo Real Estate advisors, an international real estate fund based in the USA. 391 flats, 200 parking specs, refurbishment of Heaps Mill, a new public square and 200 construction jobs, sounds like a fantastic addition to the Baltic area. A word of warning, the apartment block looks to be about 13/14 floors, could block the Wirral view of the cathedral, no doubt EH will have their say on this. __________________ Doug Roberts Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Yoda

February 8th, 2006, 10:39 AM	#145
Toadboy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Liverpool, in the North of England but not of it Posts: 8,785 Likes (Received): 123	looks about the right bulk and scale to work with the old warehouses etc. The Holy Ghost has a bit about it in Business Week but I've left it at home. __________________ Duh! Knows

February 8th, 2006, 01:10 PM	#146
Red scouser European Champion Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 421 Likes (Received): 0	US firm takes stake in £60m development Feb 8 2006 By Bill Gleeson Business Editor, Business Week A UNITED States property fund has teamed up with a Surrey group to invest £60m in one of Liverpool's most prominent sites. Heap's Rice Mill, situated within the city's Baltic Triangle and bordered by Rope Walks, the Paradise Street Development Area and King's Waterfront is to be transformed into a major residential complex by Apollo Bannertown, a joint venture company. The four-building scheme, entirely funded by private money, includes 391 one and two bed apartments, 200 car parking spaces and the preservation and refurbishment of the historic Heap's Rice Mill. It also includes a landmark building overlooking Grosvenor's Paradise Street development, a new public square and gardens and the reinstatement of former roads on the site. Around 200 construction jobs will be created. Jason Gray, from the Liverpool office of chartered surveyors Gerald Eve, brought the site to Apollo Bannertown's attention. He said: "Its enviable position between King's Waterfront, Albert Dock and Paradise Street means it always offered the potential for a prestigious landmark development. It's within walking distance of some of Liverpool's key commercial and leisure destinations and close to a number of major development sites that will transform Liverpool over the next five years. "The mill's architectural heritage meant we needed a developer with flair and imagination as well as financial muscle. This development is particularly in tune with the growing demands of city living and the images show just how well Apollo Bannertown has responded to this unique development opportunity." A planning application to develop the site has been submitted by scheme architects Bond Bryan and, if successful, work will begin on site in the summer with completion in 2008. Apollo Bannertown is a consortium between Surrey-based property developers Bannertown and Apollo Real Estate Advisors, an international real estate fund management group based in the US. Bannertown was founded in 1990 by a team of property industry professionals, headed by Tony Beadle and has a diverse portfolio of schemes across the country. Apollo has invested about £5bn over the past ten years. __________________ L I V E R P O O L Tell yer ma, yer ma, we have put the champagne on ice, we're back to Wembley, Tell yer ma, yer ma

February 8th, 2006, 07:47 PM	#149
JUXTAPOL 800th birthday in 2007 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,194 Likes (Received): 1	Just comparing your image with this picture to see where this fits. Look's like they have added windows to Heaps mill to provide light to the apartments, which i think improves the look of the building, i like the modern build sprouting out above the old structure. The new development behind looks big and will be on the main road near to the Scandinavian Church. __________________ Liverpool European Capital of Culture 2008 London Olympic Hosts 2012 Moped....Do you like..Yesh..?

February 8th, 2006, 10:33 AM	#144
DJ Billy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cambridge Posts: 477 Likes (Received): 0	Good find Doug. The height may not be a problem as I think it will be in pretty much the same sightline as the 14 storey L1 development

February 8th, 2006, 01:25 PM	#147
scouserdave BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Location: Liverpool 6, Halewood, Cantril Farm, Luton ferfuxake! Posts: 2,763 Likes (Received): 0	Great news Red. I thought Windsor Developments were proposing to do something similar a couple of years ago.

February 8th, 2006, 07:53 PM	#150
JUXTAPOL 800th birthday in 2007 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,194 Likes (Received): 1	Doug, Just comparing your image with this picture to see where this fits. Look's like they have added windows to Heaps mill to provide light to the apartments, which i think improves the look of the building, i like the modern build sprouting out above the old structure. The new development behind looks big and will be on the main road near to the Scandinavian Church. This is the other side of Heaps Mill __________________ Liverpool European Capital of Culture 2008 London Olympic Hosts 2012 Moped....Do you like..Yesh..?

February 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM	#151
Paul D Phatang Phatang Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 11,643 Likes (Received): 314	That's a big improvement to the area I like it.

February 8th, 2006, 08:35 PM	#152
buggedboy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,390 Likes (Received): 172	has anyone got a panorama that has the approximate sightline of the Cathedral from behind Heaps Mill. Tnis is a great development but I am unfortunately worried that the Anti-Tall lobby will kick up a fuss. I know this project is a similar size the the L1, but Ive got a feeling the antibloodysomethingorother lobby will try to strike this one down. I can see a few Labour Councillors going against it, saying that it's too tall for the suburban style of the crummy affordable housing around there. They tried this one with the Byrom St building thats gonig up on top iof Imperial Halls. Thankfully, they were ignored that time, but isnt this site within the Luxemburgian proportioned WHS "Buffer Zone"? God, look what the heritage terrorists have done to me....my confidence is a bit wobbly. Damn them.

February 9th, 2006, 03:26 PM	#153
scouserdave BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Location: Liverpool 6, Halewood, Cantril Farm, Luton ferfuxake! Posts: 2,763 Likes (Received): 0	Taken last month. Heaps Mill is lower right. [IMG]http://www.**************************/heaps001.jpg[/IMG]

February 9th, 2006, 08:48 PM	#154
JCM Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 81 Likes (Received): 0	Breaking News......Crane to appear on the L1 / Baltic Triangle site around 15th February

February 9th, 2006, 09:07 PM	#155
westisbest Justice for the 96 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Greater Liverpool Posts: 3,737 Likes (Received): 6	Good, i wouldn't expect it to be any taller than the 1 in the above picture (red one) __________________ Liverpool FC 18 League Titles 5 European Cups

February 10th, 2006, 10:18 AM	#156
Doug Roberts Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,668 Likes (Received): 6	The image, from architects Bond Bryan site, is taken from the Park Lane side. The Greenberg building is to the right with the Scandanavian Church spire over to the left. The view shows the height of the building a lot better than the other one, I reckon this is about 16/17 storeys, I think EH will have something to say about this. In fact I will be amazed and delighted if it remains at this height, but with EH on the prowl now backed up by Warrens statement earlier in the week I think this plan will fall foul to the floor choppers! __________________ Doug Roberts Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Yoda

February 10th, 2006, 11:02 AM	#157
tommygunn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,681 Likes (Received): 0	Thats seen as a downtown manhattan skyscraper in EH eyes.

February 10th, 2006, 11:34 AM	#158
Scarecrow Revolutionary Man Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Outside Society Posts: 7,144 Likes (Received): 104	Doesn't it also fall inside a tall (see Mythical) building zone? __________________ SSC is Full of Bad Wools

February 10th, 2006, 11:50 AM	#159
Doug Roberts Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,668 Likes (Received): 6	Bunny, no I don't think it does, fig 1 on page 12 shows the 3 locations for tall buildings, what a joke!! http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Images/tcm21-30647.pdf __________________ Doug Roberts Try not. Do or do not, there is no try. Yoda

February 10th, 2006, 12:20 PM	#160
Geborgenheit Sans logique Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Latvija Posts: 1,921 Likes (Received): 292	Baltic Triangle? Why such name? Any connection with the Baltics/Baltic states/Baltic sea ?

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