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Old August 10th, 2006, 07:28 PM   #221
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ok. repeating.

mm has very well organized network to the city plan. there are no stations that could and needed to be skipped. average distance between stations is 1,8km. trains are 140 and 160 meters long (120 on three lines and 90 on light metro). mm has very high commercial speed 42kmph (with all these quick 20 sec stops). train has higher capacity plus service is very very frequent. only kiev metro has more frequent (50-60 sec on line 1).
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Old August 10th, 2006, 07:54 PM   #222
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I have no idea why some people think tokyo is better than others like NYC.
Tokyo is so overratad. How can tokyo be over NYC.
Sound like tokyo is trying to grab a title of the best city from NYC.
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Old August 10th, 2006, 10:25 PM   #223
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and how does moscow have better efficiency? better intervals okay. but your intervals will be negated by the fact that moscow metro has to stop at EVERY station. very convenient...
The average speed of Moscow's metro is actually higher than NY's...Instead of looking at the number of stations, you should actually look at the distance between them. The larger the distance, the higher the average speed can and will be, since trains will reach higher top speeds and have to spend less time waiting at a station when compared to the time they're actually moving from one station to another. Moscow's stations are about 1.1 mile apart on average. I believe NY's stations are about 0.5 miles apart on average, though that number might be higher when looking at the express network only.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:41 AM   #224
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I have no idea why some people think tokyo is better than others like NYC.
Tokyo is so overratad. How can tokyo be over NYC.
Sound like tokyo is trying to grab a title of the best city from NYC.
To some extent, Tokyo's metro system is much better than NYC in terms of efficiency, service and infrastructure. Tokyo uses a smart card system (Suica).
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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:51 AM   #225
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Station designs in Tokyo and New York are quite similar. The older stations have narrow platforms. How is the ventilation though? When I was in Tokyo it was spring so waiting for a train was comfortable. Last week's heat wave made New York's subway platforms unbearable.
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But isn't Tokyo's station having PSDs?
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Old August 11th, 2006, 04:06 PM   #227
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How can anyone compare Moscow subway to NYC? NYC is on a totally higher plateau. And Alargule said that Moscow subway is more efficient but stations are a mile apart on average. Well how efficient can a system be if many commuters must walk a mile before they get to the nearest metro stop? Since the stations are so sparsely scattered, then fewer ppl have them a comfortable distance away, unlike NYC where most places are within walking distance of a train stop. Also, Moscow's subway looks like f*cking Pyongyang metro!!! Drab old green soviet looking carriages compared to the sleek new, Japanese-designed Bombadier carriages on the 2, 4, 5, 6, and L train lines. It is insulting to NYC's MTA for being compared to Moscow's let alone suggesting that Moscow's can be better...
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There is a difference between efficiency and coverage. Moscow's stations are far apart, but that's great for those living in the peripherals of the city, especially when development is decentralized. It won't take forever to stop a million times before reaching their destination. An efficient system will be able to transport people to far distances in short amounts of time. If a huge segment of the population cannot access the system (ie. because no stations are nearby), then that is a coverage problem.

Even if stations are a mile apart, the most a person is going to walk would be about half a mile = 800 m which is not that bad at all (assuming the bus is not used to bridge that distance).

Bombardier is a Canadian company. So are the New York trains designed by the Japanese, then built by the Canadians?

I've been on the F and D trains and those are not good at all, while the 4/5/6 ones are a lot newer and a lot nicer. Moscow's stations look a lot better than New York's stations as well.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 04:37 PM   #229
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drunkenmunkey888 u r quite right, NYC can't be compared with Moscow metro. Moscow is one of the most beautiful, fast and efficient system in the world. NYC is cute for sure too, but don't be so childish. NYC metro is two levels under Moscow.
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lol, he seems completely got drunk
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Old August 11th, 2006, 04:40 PM   #231
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drunkenmunkey888 u r quite right, NYC can't be compared with Moscow metro. Moscow is one of the most beautiful, fast and efficient system in the world. NYC is cute for sure too, but don't be so childish. NYC metro is two levels under Moscow.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 04:47 PM   #232
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Bombardier is a Canadian company. So are the New York trains designed by the Japanese, then built by the Canadians?
Sorry about the inaccuracy, i heard somewhere that they were designed by Japanese but saw bombadier label on the inside of a train. But that aside, yes i agree NYC stations are dirty, old, and smell like bum defecation and Moscow stations look like palaces. One was a result of communist central planning and the soviet's attempts to show off the most decadent stations to prolong the empty lie that communism is better than capitalism while NYC was built with functionality in mind rather than decadence. whoopdidooo! moscow has better stations but NYC trains are much nicer, faster (because of the express lines), air conditioned (dunno if moscow's has a/c but lots of european systems dont), and covers a great deal of the five boroughs (yes including staten island with the Staten Island rail)
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Old August 11th, 2006, 05:06 PM   #233
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argh...

NYC trains are not faster and nicer. MM trains are. But still both lose to LUL and some other systems. MM has natural ventilation - hundreds of big shafts. Plus thousands of local systems. Only stations built in 1938-1955 was built in Stalinist empire style. Station built before and after is a result of better taste, standards and attitude to metro architecture.

As was said above - NYC metro is two levels under Moscow.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 06:01 PM   #234
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Old August 11th, 2006, 08:45 PM   #235
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sorry but what does LUL stand for?

and how are NYC trains not nicer? you think a bunch of soviet carriages that look like North Korean subways are nicer than the new R142 cars (Lines 2,4,5,6) and the new R160 cars (Line L and soon if not already Lines J,M,Z)? That aside, even the not so new ones like the R44/46 cars (Lines A,F,G,R) and R68 (Lines B,D,N) are waaaaay better than depressing drab moscow trains. NYC is thousands of time better metro in the world, although I admit, Tokyo and London are almost half as good.
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sorry but what does LUL stand for?

and how are NYC trains not nicer? you think a bunch of soviet carriages that look like North Korean subways are nicer than the new R142 cars (Lines 2,4,5,6) and the new R160 cars (Line L and soon if not already Lines J,M,Z)? That aside, even the not so new ones like the R44/46 cars (Lines A,F,G,R) and R68 (Lines B,D,N) are waaaaay better than depressing drab moscow trains. NYC is thousands of time better metro in the world, although I admit, Tokyo and London are almost half as good.
A little arrogant aren't we?

I'm not denying that New York is a well known and recognizable subway system, but its not like it can be better then the others by a long shot. Personally I've ridden on the NY subway, I have to say that the stations appear to be very drab and the cars were covered with graffiti. Personally many stations in Europe and in Asia have cleaner and more modern stations. As for speed, NY is a very large spread out city, so yeah it needs faster trains.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 09:29 PM   #237
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New York:







Moscow:









New York:



Moscow:



New York's last major finished construction project was the 6th Avenue Subway line, completed in 1940(!). Moscow's construction did only just begin by then, and major construction works have been going on until the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. The only advantage NY's system has over Moscow's, is that it is rather dense. But that's about the only advantage I can think of: frequencies are being lowered by the MTA, services cut back (notorious is the G line), the Lexington line has been overcrowded for years but the alleviating Second Avenue Subway line has been nothing but a pipe dream for the last 80 (!) years.

Yeah...NY is definitely better than Moscow. If you believe in your own lies, that is...
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Old August 11th, 2006, 11:05 PM   #238
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That photos are from abandoned metro stations no?
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Old August 11th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #239
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Nope. Broadway (on the G line), Canal Street (J, M, Z) and Times Square (1, 2, 3) are all in use. Broadway is even considered a safety hazard due to sewage water dripping from the ceiling onto the platforms. Yeah, NY is really swell...
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Old August 12th, 2006, 12:05 AM   #240
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even if cute off Stalinist empire stations from comparison

here is usual examples of 60's
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-13
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-14
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-15
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-11-1
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-11-3
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-6-13
etc etc etc


usual examples of 70's
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-8
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-9
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-10
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-7-11
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-2-9
etc etc etc

usual examples of 80's
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-2-16
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-2-18
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-2-19
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-2-20
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-6-14
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-8-2
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-8-3
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-8-4
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-8-5
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-8-6

usual examples of 90's
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-1
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-2
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-3
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-4
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-5
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-7
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-9
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-10-10
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-1
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-2
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-3

usual examples of 00's
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-23
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-24
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-9-25
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-1-16
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-3-13
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-12-1
http://metrowalks.ru/moscow/station-12-4
http://*******************/gallery/v/coth/2005_09_10/


and currently u/c
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=325343



even centipede and surface stations of Khrushchev's era of 50's and 60's are looks like palaces comparing to NYC stations...
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