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Old July 29th, 2007, 02:29 PM   #381
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Those trains look like moving science labs if you ask me.

Sharp edges and functionality is clearly your taste, so it's not surprising you find cushioned seats, colourful interiors and curvey walls unpleasant!

And by the way there is no such words as "metrotrain" we're not Germans here.
As I said. It's my opinion. Lot of trains of London undergroud are outdated and interiors are so ugly. I have to agree that the seats are very comfortable, but it's the way they look.

And by the way some people are not english! There's nothing wrong with Germans. It would be good if English people learn other languages, instead of criticize others...
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Old July 29th, 2007, 04:50 PM   #382
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I vote for Madrid or Hong Kong.

London, Paris, Berlin and Moscow systems are impressive, but you probably wouldn't like to travel on them as daily commuter.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 05:32 PM   #383
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I cant judge Paris or Moscow, but the Berlin system is absolutely fine to commute with every day.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 01:15 AM   #384
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The phrase "Mind the Gap" isnt there for fun but because the gap is so big at some stations.
And thats not good imo.
At some curved stations like Bank? the gap is so big that you can easily fall into it with one leg. thats dangerous and also very uncomfortable to elderly people or those in a wheelchair.
I dont understand why they cant make it smoother.
Old people rarely use the Tube, but they can have assistance from the station staff, all they need to do is use one of the information booths. The driver can clearly see the gaps, and there are usually station staff at stations with large gaps during the busy hours. It's the penalty we pay for having such an old system, but if the system was like one in China and there were no gaps, nice big trains, nice hard seats (oh yeah...) it wouldn't be the same.

And the money that is being invested in the Tube is to make it more reliable, faster. Once the Tube is faster and more reliable then maybe we can start worrying about large gaps. There was a proposal to move the station elsewhere, but ruled out because of costs.

People come to London to see the sights mostly, but also "querky" stuff like small Victorian buildings with creeky floors, it's what gives it it's charm and character.

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thats the money that Tansport for London (TFL) is going to invest in the next 5 years for its redevelopment project.
It isnt the annually/standard investment figure.
And TFL isnt only about the tube but also about London rail and the London busses.
So not all of the money is being invested into the tube.
You're right, but the point is money is being spent on it, which you seemed hell bent on implying it wasn't before.

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Well the Bakerloo line trains are quite old, although being younger than the Victoria line trains.
What is wrong with old trains? Many old trains are comfier and more reliable than the new ones, if you get so upset by a few bumps in a journey then you really need to read a newspaper and see what is worth getting upset about.

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Waiting for the next one is quite difficult during rush hour.
If you're a tourist that stands in big groups near the entrance/exits it usually is. But some lines like the Northern and Piccadilly are very overcrowded, I won't lie.

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Btw: Im around 1,90 and its enough space for me.
But it kind of feels small when youve got so little space between your head and the roof of the carriage.
So do you think billions should be wasted on making them bigger for tourists? Ask any Londoner and they'll tell you they aren't bothered by curved walls.

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Well, in Berlin for example the tube runs 24h on Friday, Saturday and Sunday whereas it closes down in London.
Berlin, New York and Chicago are the only ones that have 24 hr service as far as I know, so not very many.


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I think they should also let them run 24 h on the weekend.
It makes sense and is very comfortable to the average traveller.
So you want the Tube to have larger tunnels, more reliable service and less overcrowding yet you want 24 hour service during the weekend? So when do you think the Tube should be shut for engineering works exactly?


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The central line is fine.
I ike the trains just like I like the northern line trains.
Its very fast indeed but I have to dissagree about the smoothness.
Its also very bumpy although not as bumpy as on the Victoria line.
The Central line is smooth I think you'll find, the Victoria line isn't, that's mainly down to the track and also down to the bumpy suspension on the Victoria and Bakerloo line rolling stock.

Sometimes it can be funny watching everyone bump around anyway

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As I said. It's my opinion. Lot of trains of London undergroud are outdated and interiors are so ugly. I have to agree that the seats are very comfortable, but it's the way they look.
I don't blame you, all I was saying is why they look that way, and why I disagree with you. I think your fav trains look horrid, and you think mine, I don't see what the problem is? We clearly have different tastes.

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And by the way some people are not english! There's nothing wrong with Germans. It would be good if English people learn other languages, instead of criticize others...
You clearly don't understand irony, the German language puts words together for example: "federal constitutional court, which in English exists as three weak fragments, becomes Bundesverfassungsgericht"

So therefore it's "Metro train, not Metrotrain" like a fast car isn't a "fastcar"

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Old July 30th, 2007, 02:39 AM   #385
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Old and New:






modernized G-train:



U Amrumer Straße:



U Zoologischer Garten U9:





U Adenauerplatz:







U Alexanderplatz U5:






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Old July 30th, 2007, 03:13 AM   #386
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I feel incredibly stupid saying this... But was Berlin was occupied by the Soviets...? Hence the decadent stations?
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Old July 30th, 2007, 08:24 AM   #387
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WHAT?!?!?[IMG]http://i12.************/4y650tf.jpg[/IMG]

How could Berlin steal our idea? J/K



















Metro art: Pointless but beautiful!





And business week ranked Emam Khomeini station #11 in the world's most beautiful metro stations list:

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06...s/index_01.htm
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Old July 30th, 2007, 09:57 AM   #388
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Old July 30th, 2007, 10:26 AM   #389
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The only Middle Eastern metros I know are the ones of Tehran, Cairo and Haifa. Tehran is by far the most impressive in this region.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 11:33 AM   #390
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The only Middle Eastern metros I know are the ones of Tehran, Cairo and Haifa. Tehran is by far the most impressive in this region.
Turkey has some great metros as well. I have been to Ankara's and Istanbul's and they were just as clean and reliable as Tehran's but with bigger networks (compared with the size of the cities).

Here are more pics of Tehran's:

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Old July 30th, 2007, 01:19 PM   #391
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Turkey has some great metros as well. I have been to Ankara's and Istanbul's and they were just as clean and reliable as Tehran's but with bigger networks (compared with the size of the cities).
Turkey's metro is impressive as well though I consider the country as part of Europe than Middle East despite the strong connection of cultures.
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Old July 30th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #392
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Turkey's metro is impressive as well though I consider the country as part of Europe than Middle East despite the strong connection of cultures.
Geographically, Turkey is more Asian than European. Istanbul spans both continents.
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I feel incredibly stupid saying this... But was Berlin was occupied by the Soviets...? Hence the decadent stations?
Only half of Berlin was occupied by the soviets.
And they didnt do much about the stations.
They are all pre war (except for the Hauptbahnhof station)
However in west berlin many stations received a new interior design which I think looks cheap compared to the original.

My favourite stations in Berlin would be:

Wittenbergplatz: 3 undeground lines stop here, its got 5 tracks.







Bülowstrasse




Eberswalder Str:







Herrmannplatz: built as part of shopping center in the 20s:





the shopping center above it which belonged to the station and which was destroyed in the war:




Französische Strasse:





Friedrichstrasse:





another nice shot:

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The style is similar to the Soviets, but it wasn't actually designed by them?

And I love the elevated sections by the way.
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The style is similar to the Soviets, but it wasn't actually designed by them?
no, all stations were built before the war.
take the station Heidelberger Platz for example.
It was opened in 1913 and is in the western part of Berlin but looks very similar to a moscow underground station.




The Nazis didnt do much about the underground stations either as far as I know.
But there are also some creepy examples.
The station Mohrenstrasse has been designed with the red marble taken from Hitlers Reichskanzlei after the war.
This was a station that was actually redesigned by the GDR government.



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I would of thought the Nazis would of done something, they were the "National Socialist" part weren't they?

And are the stations built via cut and cover method or a tunnelling shield?
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I would of thought the Nazis would of done something, they were the "National Socialist" part weren't they?
Its strange indeed. The Nazis wanted to redesign Berlin but Ive never seen anything of what they wanted to do with the transport network.

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Yes, the underground lines are built with cut and cover.
They are usually just a few metres underground.
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@iampuking, some great Underground photos on the other page, thanks for posting. By the way, I just got back from Tokyo, and their metro has many much narrower platforms. At parts, between the wall and the track must be 3-4 feet. Tokyo also has many long walks between platforms and often you have to leave the turnstiles and buy a new ticket if you don't have a a multi or day pass.

Overall, I certainly preferred the London Underground over Tokyo's. It was fine in Tokyo, but not super modern in any way. I never saw any new stations to the caliber of the Jubilee line, and no historical stations like many you posted as well. All in all, it was rather bland. Still is an excellent system of cause, but for preferences, I take London's.
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@Checker, Also, thanks for the Berlin photos. Berlin's network is my third favourite in the world after London and Paris. I also love the S-bahn network there (although I think I've mentioned this to you before)

On the Bülowstrasse station photos you showed, it's a real pity they don't rebuild that railway bridge like in the old photo. The modern one is far too functional for the adjacent station, and it's a real loss for it's destruction.

By the way, I would HATE to see the curves disappear on the London Underground. I think they add so much character, the "Mind the Gap" voices are really cool and seem to do a good job at reminding people to be aware as well as being quite iconic at the same time. Take those curves out and London will have lost something precious and unique.
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On the Bülowstrasse station photos you showed, it's a real pity they don't rebuild that railway bridge like in the old photo. The modern one is far too functional for the adjacent station, and it's a real loss for it's destruction.
I couldnt aggree more.
Bülowstr looks acceptable but Nollendorfplatz which is the next station has been completely ruined.
And that goes for many stations, mainly the elevated ones.
Berlins transport network is great but in many ways its a shadow of its former self.
Not in functionality but architectural wise.

Just look at these beauties that have been destroyed (all of which are very close to the Bülowstr.)




this is the track just behind the Bülowstr station.
The building doesnt exist anymore.




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By the way, I would HATE to see the curves disappear on the London Underground. I think they add so much character, the "Mind the Gap" voices are really cool and seem to do a good job at reminding people to be aware as well as being quite iconic at the same time. Take those curves out and London will have lost something precious and unique.
The curves have to stay. No doubt about that.
But you can make them gap-free aswell I reckon.
In Berlin there are also curved platforms with no gap at all.
I dont know whether the London platforms are more bend though.
And I like the "Mind the gap" voice too.
It wouldnt mean that it had to dissapear though if they reduced the gap.
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