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Old August 28th, 2007, 10:03 PM   #441
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You mean the frequency at rush hour?
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Old August 29th, 2007, 11:14 AM   #442
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I know no, but has i said, by only few kms (<5), Moskow one is bigger.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=337

(y no me añadas los kilometros de tranvia que entonces Moscu os pulveriza)
First, We don´t have tram in Madrid we have light subway.

Second, Madrid made 85 km the last 4 years and is planned to make around 95 km.

Madrid underground is bigger. The info you gave is old: Madrid has 309,554 km and we have almost 3 million people less living in here so the subway is less congested

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_de_Madrid

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Old August 29th, 2007, 11:35 AM   #443
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First, We don´t have tram in Madrid we have light subway.

Second, Madrid made 85 km the last 4 years and is planned to make around 95 km.

Madrid underground is bigger.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampliac...etro_de_Madrid
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_d...d#Metro_Ligero

Y ya digo, a fecha de hoy el de Moscu es un poco mayor, a finales de año sera mayor el de Madrid, pero ahora es el de Moscu.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 11:41 AM   #444
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Well, the point is that the underground will be bigger even having less people, so I think that is a significant data.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 02:34 PM   #445
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Well, from what i have heard - Madrid has no money to expand the present system, while Moscow's budget is largest city budget in Europe.
55.7 Km of metro lines and 43 stations were built in Madrid in 2003—2007. Plus 28.2 Km and 36 stations of light rail. They spent €3'615'000'000 on this. Moscow can only dream about this figures.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 04:10 PM   #446
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First, We don´t have tram in Madrid we have light subway.

Second, Madrid made 85 km the last 4 years and is planned to make around 95 km.

Madrid underground is bigger. The info you gave is old: Madrid has 309,554 km and we have almost 3 million people less living in here so the subway is less congested

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_de_Madrid
you include rapid trams

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You mean the frequency at rush hour?
yes. an average of 90 seconds on most of lines. 2 - 3 minutes during rest of the day. an interval goes up only after midnight to 10 minutes.

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55.7 Km of metro lines and 43 stations were built in Madrid in 2003—2007. Plus 28.2 Km and 36 stations of light rail. They spent €3'615'000'000 on this. Moscow can only dream about this figures.
3,6bln euro from 2003 to 2007 is hardly over $4,5bln. moscow plans to spend over $6bln from 2007 to 2010. over $1,3bln alone this year. plus few cents from federals.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 04:55 PM   #447
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Coth this rapid trams that we call light metro act like subway in almos 3/4 of the distance because they go underground in the same metro rails, the point is that when they get to the end of the line they get out for few kilometres, was made like that because the composition of the stone on that side of the city is much harder than the rest. It is underground as well.

http://www.metroligero-oeste.es/
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Old August 29th, 2007, 06:09 PM   #448
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yes. an average of 90 seconds on most of lines. 2 - 3 minutes during rest of the day. an interval goes up only after midnight to 10 minutes.
Bleh. Happens in Paris:



And London:



Just cause it isn't timetabled doesn't mean it doesn't happen..

How does Moscow achieve 40tph? Slam the doors shut when only a few passengers have boarded?
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Old August 29th, 2007, 06:29 PM   #449
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3,6bln euro from 2003 to 2007 is hardly over $4,5bln. moscow plans to spend over $6bln from 2007 to 2010. over $1,3bln alone this year. plus few cents from federals.
Oh yes. But Madrid built 43 metro stations and 36 LRT stations. Moscow going to build 15 ± 2 ones. And I don't believe federals will spend even few cents…
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Old August 29th, 2007, 07:20 PM   #450
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Trams that going under ground != Metro. It's technically different. It was discussed here already. Check Porto Metro rapid tram thread.

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Happens? Or exists on regular basis along the whole line?
Maximum what can London Underground technically achieve is 36tph. And it's only on two lines. All other lines will hardly allow more than 30 trains per hour.
Moscow Metro does not have 40tph right now. It was in 1970's. Right now it's 37-39tph on most of lines. Just 2 lines offer service less than 35tph. Only one is due to technical limitations and another line with just 3 stations because it's not necessary to have over 20tph there. High frequency is ongoing for at least 4-6 hours per day. Timetable fulfillment in 99,96% with commercial speed in 42kmph.
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Happens? Or exists on regular basis along the whole line?
Happens when trains bunch up... You can see one train leave and then the next one behind it in the tunnel.

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Maximum what can London Underground technically achieve is 36tph. And it's only on two lines. All other lines will hardly allow more than 30 trains per hour. Moscow Metro does not have 40tph right now. It was in 1970's. Right now it's 37-39tph on most of lines. Just 2 lines offer service less than 35tph. Only one is due to technical limitations and another line with just 3 stations because it's not necessary to have over 20tph there. High frequency is ongoing for at least 4-6 hours per day. Timetable fulfillment in 99,96% with commercial speed in 42kmph.
I know this... But i'm asking this: What does Moscow do that allows them a high frequency?
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Old August 29th, 2007, 10:39 PM   #452
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better organization. well situated reverse sidings and yards, small number of railroad switches etc.
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Old August 30th, 2007, 12:22 AM   #453
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Better organisation? A bit vague isn't it? One could say Tokyo is well organised yet it doesn't have lower than 2 minute frequencies.
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Old August 30th, 2007, 12:33 AM   #454
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If i don't remember bad, the metro of Riga have 75s frequencies.
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Old August 30th, 2007, 01:01 AM   #455
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Since when Riga has metro?
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I think he was talking about Kiev Metro
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Old August 30th, 2007, 05:16 AM   #457
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Is the Paris one at a terminus? Trains often bottleneck at a terminus.

Even if not, what happens in those videos is not that rare.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 01:37 AM   #458
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Is the Paris one at a terminus? Trains often bottleneck at a terminus.

Even if not, what happens in those videos is not that rare.
I think so, it's La Defense on Line 1, London one is Oxford Circus on the Central line and is not a terminus.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 02:18 AM   #459
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Athens Metro System...

Its metro stations are beautifull, and impressive. They are really modern. Amazing Most of them are like museums.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 10:59 AM   #460
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Athens Metro System...

Its metro stations are beautifull, and impressive. They are really modern. Amazing Most of them are like museums.
Is really nice underground but it has 77 km. It is clearly beautiful but is too small compared with such a big city as Athens. Anyway Athens is going in the right direction.
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