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Old October 6th, 2007, 03:27 AM   #521
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Did we ever have any doubt about that?
Probably not... My work here is done.
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Old October 6th, 2007, 03:39 AM   #522
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Probably not... My work here is done.
So is mine, apparently
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Old October 7th, 2007, 06:14 PM   #523
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The reason London did so well is probably because it's well visited, Moscow probably beats London hands down but not many tourists visit Moscow compared to London...

I don't understand why it would beat Paris though...
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Old October 7th, 2007, 07:32 PM   #524
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The reason London did so well is probably because it's well visited, Moscow probably beats London hands down but not many tourists visit Moscow compared to London...

I don't understand why it would beat Paris though...
Cos the Paris system is crap.

I'm honestly surprised at HK's "low" ranking...and not a mention of Tokyo?
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Old October 8th, 2007, 03:07 AM   #525
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Hong Kong and Tokyo don't get anywhere near the amount of tourists as London, that's probably why.

And why do you think the Paris system is crap?
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Old October 8th, 2007, 04:30 AM   #526
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It's relatively efficient, though not exactly the epitome of efficiency. It's also dirty, and the subway is notorious for its petty crimes (a friend of mine got robbed in front of me actually; but she managed to rob the robber back...yea work that one out!).

Crap is too harsh perhaps, but its most definitely not the world's 3rd (or whatever it was ranked) best system in the world. Fair point about tourists, although Hong Kong gets upwards of 25 million (not sure about Tokyo), not exactly a small amount, and when you consider that New York only gets 7 million international visitors a year (i.e., less than Hong Kong minus Mainland arrivals), you have to question exactly how the survey was conducted, and hence it's reliability. That's the problem with surveys anyway...(if you've seen the Yes Minister clip, you'll know what I mean)

Tourist arrivals also don't explain Washington's high ranking...
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Old October 8th, 2007, 05:51 AM   #527
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Hong Kong and Tokyo don't get anywhere near the amount of tourists as London, that's probably why.

And why do you think the Paris system is crap?
Im pretty sure Hong Kong gets a similar amount of tourists...
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Old October 8th, 2007, 03:32 PM   #528
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Talking of Western tourists, it doesn't get the amount Paris or London does. And it was a Western poll... Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 06:48 PM   #529
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Where did the poll actually come from?

Think Hong Kong probably gets upwards of 5m "Western" tourists a year.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 07:31 PM   #530
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Talking of Western tourists, it doesn't get the amount Paris or London does. And it was a Western poll... Sorry if I wasn't clear.
What's the difference? London is in the west, so it gets more European and North American tourists...HK is in the east, so it gets more Indian and Japanese tourists (note how Im not counting mainland Chinese tourists)

I'm quite sure than HK gets more 'Western' tourists than London gets 'Eastern'

Tourists are tourists.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #531
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I'm quite sure than HK gets more 'Western' tourists than London gets 'Eastern'
Tourists are tourists.
I pretty sure that it is the opposite, the same for Paris.
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Old October 8th, 2007, 08:05 PM   #532
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What's the difference? London is in the west, so it gets more European and North American tourists...HK is in the east, so it gets more Indian and Japanese tourists (note how Im not counting mainland Chinese tourists)

I'm quite sure than HK gets more 'Western' tourists than London gets 'Eastern'

Tourists are tourists.
Because it depends on where this survey was conducted.

Hong Kong and Tokyo's rankings suggest not many people who have visited either city (I haven't visited Tokyo for what its worth) had much to do with the final outcome...
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Old October 8th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #533
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The reason London did so well is probably because it's well visited, Moscow probably beats London hands down but not many tourists visit Moscow compared to London...

I don't understand why it would beat Paris though...
Moscow's system doesn't beat London's hands down nor any of the other large systems. Moscow has some very grand stations and trains are very frequent but they are also old and uncomfortable and the escalator wells are very dimly lit.
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What's the difference? London is in the west, so it gets more European and North American tourists...HK is in the east, so it gets more Indian and Japanese tourists (note how Im not counting mainland Chinese tourists)

I'm quite sure than HK gets more 'Western' tourists than London gets 'Eastern'

Tourists are tourists.
Nonsense. London gets a lot more eastern tourists than Hong Kong gets western. Indeed, if you discount mainland Chinese, then I wouldn't be surprised if London gets more "eastern" tourists than Hong Kong. And of course London gets more in total.
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Moscow's system doesn't beat London's hands down nor any of the other large systems. Moscow has some very grand stations and trains are very frequent but they are also old and uncomfortable and the escalator wells are very dimly lit.
Old trains are usually MORE comfortable in my experience, ever sat on the Central line's seats? Sit on the Metropolitans afterwards for a perfect example

And escalators being dimly lit is hardly much of a negative when the system is more frequent, faster and more reliable than ours.

But of course knowing your record you'd never listen to such ridiculous ideas!
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Old October 8th, 2007, 11:53 PM   #536
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No, I'm sure London gets more visitors than Hong Kong does. It's, if nothing else, that much huger. And people go on business trips all the time.

Dunno about actual tourists, though.

Maybe someone has some numbers.

And wasn't this supposed to be a best subway thread?
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Old October 8th, 2007, 11:58 PM   #537
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On the poll's note, you have to realize its made by some site/company called Trip Advisor, hardly an unbiased authority.

And notice the poll is about "public transport" in general.
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Old October 9th, 2007, 12:05 AM   #538
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People don't seem to get it do they. IT'S A WESTERN WEBSITE. A WESTERN TOURIST WEBSITE. The amount of WESTERN tourists visiting London or Paris is far greater than the amount visiting Tokyo, Moscow or Hong Kong. If they had visited those cities then no doubt they would have come out on top.
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Old October 9th, 2007, 10:14 AM   #539
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Moscow's system doesn't beat London's hands down nor any of the other large systems. Moscow has some very grand stations and trains are very frequent but they are also old and uncomfortable and the escalator wells are very dimly lit.
No. It's London's system is overbrighted. We have almost no old trains. There are just few E-type trains left that are not in serial production since early 1970's. May be they are a bit less comfortable, but comfort is not the main parameter of Metro system. Moscow metro is faster, much more reliable, much more frequent and much more safer.
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Old October 9th, 2007, 01:51 PM   #540
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Old trains are usually MORE comfortable in my experience, ever sat on the Central line's seats? Sit on the Metropolitans afterwards for a perfect example

And escalators being dimly lit is hardly much of a negative when the system is more frequent, faster and more reliable than ours.

But of course knowing your record you'd never listen to such ridiculous ideas!
Oh for goodness sake. Go to Moscow and see for yourself. The trains are old and uncomfortable and the escalator wells are too dim. I have been all over the world and never seen such dimly lit escalator wells. They are gloomy and depressing.




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