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Old January 23rd, 2008, 07:28 PM   #621
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Yes, I've noticed MTR's escalators run at significantly higher speeds than their counterparts elsewhere, and for good reason - the huge passenger volumes demand a more effective and fast solution to move crowds between floors.
They don't look any different to me...

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Old January 23rd, 2008, 08:23 PM   #622
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It doesnt look like rush hour, its fortress hill (not very busy)...

But yes, I find stations in MTR quite efficient. They will speed up the escalators during rush hours, and shut off all but one during off peak hours to conserve energy.

Hong Kong's stations might not win awards for grand classical depictions of David and Romanesque statues, but in terms of practicality, efficiency, ease of use, and ergonomics, it is definitely among the best, if not the very best.

Besides, I like Hong Kong's stations, they're easy on the eyes, simple, roomy, and all around a pretty pleasant place to be. I dont expect them to be decorated like a Victorian palace. Plus the shops! (The one that sells cream puffs at MK!)
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 09:20 PM   #623
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No-one expects metros to be like palaces, it's just better when they are!

And they speed up escalators in the rush hour? By how much?
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 10:44 PM   #624
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I have no idea, I just feel that it is faster during rush hour. Never did a speed calculation, lol.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 03:49 AM   #625
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What do you mean? The escalators run faster than on other systems?
Noticeably faster than Toronto's escalators which run at shopping plaza speed. I don't understand why stations with high volume don't increase the speed of escalators. Is it a technical limitation or just ignorance? A slow moving escalator is a huge bottleneck.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 04:18 AM   #626
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The escalators at the Festival Walk exit at Kowloon Tong are scarily fast. Old people have trouble getting on them.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 05:13 AM   #627
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No-one expects metros to be like palaces, it's just better when they are!

And they speed up escalators in the rush hour? By how much?
No, they do not speed up escalators during rush hour. The speed is the same at all times - fast - to move as many people as possible in as little time.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 09:33 AM   #628
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how you define fast? what is exact speed?
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Old January 24th, 2008, 09:46 AM   #629
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how you define fast? what is exact speed?
Take the London Underground escalators at Knightsbridge - the long ride up to the concourse. It's 1.5 times that speed.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 11:36 AM   #630
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Well in Moscow all escalators are working at 2nd speed - 0,75m/s. Some are working at 0,94m/s, although it's not allowed by federal rules.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 01:48 PM   #631
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A slow moving escalator is a huge bottleneck.
huge or small?
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Old January 24th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #632
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24/01/08

THE COMMUNITY WILL RENEW THE TRAINS OF MADRID METRO WITH 327 NEW CARS AND REFRESHING LINE 6

The Counsel of Government approved today the acquisition on the part of Metro of Madrid of the new rolling stock that will permit to renew the trains of the suburban resident of madrid, as well as to improve its service and to increase the fleet for the new enlargements of lines predicted to the 2011. On the whole, the renewal is foreseen completely of the Line 6 of the current vehicles and the incorporation to the remainder of the network of to 327 cars, what supposes a global investment of more than 775 million, as reported the first vice president and spokesman, Ignacio González.

http://www.metromadrid.es/actualidad/2401081.htm

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Old January 24th, 2008, 07:23 PM   #633
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^not really a proper thread. try this one.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=397592
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Old January 24th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #634
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Take the London Underground escalators at Knightsbridge - the long ride up to the concourse. It's 1.5 times that speed.
Is this anecdotal or did you actually get that from somewhere?

From wikipedia it states that LU's escalators move at an average speed of 44 metres per minute, with a fairly rough calculation 44 divided by 60 equals 0.73m/s. That also means that the longest escalator on LU (the one at Angel, is 60m diagnolly) 44 x 2 = 88, 60m is almost half way between 88 and 44 so it takes 1min 30secs approx to get to the top. Correct me if i'm wrong. Are you sure that LU's don't take longer because the stations are deeper?

Oh, and heres a video of the escalator at Angel, and guess what? It takes 1min 30 seconds!


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Old January 24th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #635
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Interesting talk of escalators. In Frankfurt, they have been slowing them all down. Now, they are so slow it's pointless standing on them.
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The escalators at the Festival Walk exit at Kowloon Tong are scarily fast. Old people have trouble getting on them.
Yea those are insane, lol, even though there are three of them, and they're the shortest escalators in the world.

I haven't had much experience with all kinds of subways, but I know for example, the HK escalators are noticeably and significantly faster than the ones they have at Berkeley BART.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 09:32 PM   #637
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No, they do not speed up escalators during rush hour. The speed is the same at all times - fast - to move as many people as possible in as little time.
Really? I've seen station people messing with escalators, maybe different stations have different speeds? I certainly felt the ones at Central/Tsing Yi were faster than ones at Lai Chi Kok or Kwai Fong
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Old January 24th, 2008, 10:11 PM   #638
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Yea those are insane, lol, even though there are three of them, and they're the shortest escalators in the world.

I haven't had much experience with all kinds of subways, but I know for example, the HK escalators are noticeably and significantly faster than the ones they have at Berkeley BART.
So you thought, because the ones on BART are slow, the ones on LU must be slow too?
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So you thought, because the ones on BART are slow, the ones on LU must be slow too?
I never stated that the LU ones are slow, simply that HK MTR's escalators are faster than most escalators I've used (whether it be metro stations, shopping malls, office buildings, etc.) I never even thought about the LU in my postings.

True that I have only 2 or 3 real subway systems for reference (being in the states, and Singapore), I simply said that I find HK's system as a whole to be efficient.

And from word of others, it seems to be true.

My knowledge into this is limited (I spend only about a month every year or two in HK, and I use BART maybe 4-5 times a week), I think hkskyline is a much better authority in the matter
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Old January 24th, 2008, 10:48 PM   #640
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I never stated that the LU ones are slow, simply that HK MTR's escalators are faster than most escalators I've used (whether it be metro stations, shopping malls, office buildings, etc.) I never even thought about the LU in my postings.

True that I have only 2 or 3 real subway systems for reference (being in the states, and Singapore), I simply said that I find HK's system as a whole to be efficient.

And from word of others, it seems to be true.

My knowledge into this is limited (I spend only about a month every year or two in HK, and I use BART maybe 4-5 times a week), I think hkskyline is a much better authority in the matter
Sorry about that then
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