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Old March 4th, 2008, 06:23 AM   #701
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Quite an incredible project coming in China. Perhaps a future best?

City in central China plans to spend US$40 billion on subway system
AP - Tuesday, March 4

BEIJING - A city in central China plans to spend US$40 billion to extend its subway line, as part of China's relentless drive to build more infrastructure, the official Xinhua News Agency said Monday.

Wuhan, capital of Hubei province, plans to spend 300 billion yuan (US$40 billion) to expand its subway system, Xinhua said. It will be extended from seven to 12 lines with 309 stations by 2015.

A spokesman from the Wuhan city government publicity office confirmed the plans, but said it still has to be approved by the government.

The cost is equal to what China's capital Beijing is spending to remake its infrastructure to prepare for the Olympics that start in August.

Wuhan is a transportation hub for central China.

Once the expansion is finished, 66 percent of the city's 8.7 million people will be able to find a subway station within 600 meters (yards) of their home, Xinhua said.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 08:48 AM   #702
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That would be interesting with the case Wuhan
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Old March 4th, 2008, 09:54 AM   #703
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Although I'm not surprised since Beijing and Shanghai are already in the midst of their subway construction boom while interior cities have been a bit slow catching up with their peers on the East Coast.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:16 PM   #704
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Quality over quantity.

Chinese metros will look "modern" but this was "modern" in the 1960s:

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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #705
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I agree, this was modern in the "1970"s

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Old March 5th, 2008, 12:35 AM   #706
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LOL! Much better example.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 06:21 AM   #707
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Luckily those 60s and 70s styles are long gone from today's designs.
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NY's subway station has a really nice tile design despite being older than these stations.
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Old March 6th, 2008, 07:56 AM   #709
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NY's subway station has a really nice tile design despite being older than these stations.
If they could only clean some of these stations so the patterns on those tiles can be far more visible.

I remember seeing a few very clean stations near the WTC. Perhaps they were power-washed as part of the Ground Zero cleanup, but there are plenty of stations that are downright scary.
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Cleaning them would be the best option. Not just that but rennovating it as well
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Old March 6th, 2008, 09:20 AM   #711
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Cleaning them would be the best option. Not just that but rennovating it as well
I doubt there is money to renovate all the stations. Besides, a lot of them were built in small spaces and not much can be done about them besides a fresh coat of paint, a power-wash, or a wrapping around the ugly steel beams. They were designed back in the day when expectations were different. Not much else we can do about that.
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NY's subway station has a really nice tile design despite being older than these stations.
Yes, that's because good taste in architecture dissapeared after the Second World War and is only returning this century.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 06:47 AM   #713
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Interesting read :

Connex doesn't like its passengers, and it shows, constantly
23 January 2008
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Our transport companies could learn a lot from the Japanese.

OF ALL the wonders of the Tokyo subway and train network, by far the greatest are the ticket machines. The Shinkansen, or bullet train, the labyrinth that is the Tokyo subway system and the punctuality of the trains are all amazing feats of human ingenuity, design and organisation. Next to the ticket machines, though, they pale by comparison.

The machines I have in mind aren't technically ticket machines at all, since they don't even dispense tickets. Rather, they enable travellers to add value to their tickets. They're called "fare-adjustment" machines and they're located just inside the barrier gates of almost every station. You enter your ticket into the machine and it tells you how much credit you need to add to go through the station exit barriers.

The genius of the fare adjustment machine doesn't lie in the technology itself. No doubt manufacturers of ticket machines could knock one together in an afternoon.

Rather, the genius of the fare-adjustment machine is the culture of which it is a product. The lowly fare adjustment machine is a concrete expression of a culture that is determined to serve customers and help them to do the right thing.

The fare-adjustment machine doesn't make any presumptions about why you didn't purchase the correct ticket in the first place. You could be trying to cheat the system or you could be a clueless tourist who's struggling with the sensory overload of Tokyo and innocently bought the wrong ticket.

The fare-adjustment machines don't care and the message they send is that as far as the transport authorities are concerned, a commuters' intentions are none of their business. The authorities simply want you to do the right thing, and have set up a system that is flexible enough to help you do so.

The difference between this service-oriented culture and Melbourne's public transport is striking. In Melbourne, the prevailing attitude of public transport operators is one of barely concealed contempt. Commuters seem to be regarded as enemies who are presumed guilty until proven innocent. The public transport operators are beset by a fearful siege mentality: one that presumes that customers are sneaks, frauds and cheats, and constitutionally incapable of doing the right thing even if they tried.

Of course, that's not to say that all commuters are angels. Many are serial fare evaders either because they have never accepted the privatisation of the public transport system and are unwilling to support the private operators or because they simply don't want to pay. Figures published on the Connex website estimate that fare evasion costs the public transport system $30 million to $50 million each year.

Melbourne's public transport operators appear to have very little interest in changing this situation. The contempt they have for commuters has conferred a kind of anti-hero status on fare evaders. Even people, such as me, who dutifully buy tickets cheer when hearing of the exploits of serial fare evaders who proudly claim not to have bought a ticket in months.

Changing this situation requires a change to the culture of how commuters are treated. In this regard, Melbourne could learn a thing or two from the Tokyo public transport authorities. This doesn't mean installing fare-adjustment machines at every train station. The costs of doing so would be prohibitive. It would require the installation of exit barriers and considerable redesign of almost every station.

Rather, Melbourne's public transport authorities could learn from the service culture that the fare-adjustment machine embodies.

One simple suggestion is to change how inspectors deal with suspected fare evaders. Rather than fining those without a ticket, ticket inspectors should be given the authority and the means to sell fare evaders a ticket. This would recognise that people have many reasons for not having a ticket. They might be serial fare evaders, or they might not have had the right money.

If potential fare evaders do not have the money to buy a ticket, then fair enough, book them. They're fair game. It's clear that they never intended to buy a ticket. If they can buy a ticket, but didn't have the right change for the machine, as is often the case, then they would have an opportunity to do the right thing without further questioning.

While those with the siege mentality probably have a long list of why this can't be done, it's unlikely that any barrier is insurmountable. After all, Melbourne's public transport system had something like this for years. They were called "conductors" and many people miss them.

Over the long term, this simple change could produce savings on the administrative costs of cracking down on fare evaders. More importantly though, this small step would show that Melbourne's public transport operators are interested in serving, rather than punishing, their customers. Who knows? It might be the start of winning back the hearts and minds of Melbourne's jaded public transport users.

Christopher Scanlon is a lecturer in the media studies program at La Trobe University and a co-editor of Arena Magazine.
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Yes, that's because good taste in architecture dissapeared after the Second World War and is only returning this century.
And its gonna look better
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Yes, that's because good taste in architecture dissapeared after the Second World War and is only returning this century.
I think the days for extravagant architecture, Moscow style, are over. Even Beijing's new Olympic line and London's Jubilee line are nowhere as exquisitly designed and decorated as those Moscow ones, and they're already quite over the top in today's standard already.
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I wasn't referring to Moscow stations, I was referring to architectural trends... Victorian architecture (when much of LU was built) is much nicer than pre-war parts. The extension of the Jubilee line is good architecture coming back to the Tube.
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Yes, I liked the modern style in the Jubilee Line extension, and the extra stuff they did for Canary Wharf. I believe Stratford is also a very neat station, although I didn't have a chance to visit it to see for myself.
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U aslo can add Torino (italy) and Copenhaguen (Denmark); They both use technology developped by Matra .
What do you mean?
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Old May 20th, 2008, 06:33 PM   #719
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the mexico city subway is great in that it is very cheap to ride (if i recall it was about US$0.20) is very extensive and gets you all over the city. however, from an aesthetic standpoint, it leaves a lot to be desired. it looks "cheap", so i guess you get what you pay for. there are a handful of stations which are bright, spacious, and have decorative features (basically, the ones shown earlier), but for the most part, it's a very "functional" and barebones operation. the cieling is very low, the flourescent lighting is unappealing, and it wasn't the cleanest or best maintained subway i've been on (but much cleaner than most US subways). you could never escape the fact that you were in a "3rd world" country while riding it. and there were food vendors everywhere, both inside the stations and at the entrances, so there was also a fair amount of litter in the stations and cars. i also found it interesting that they have "women only" metro cars during rush hour, but there might be other metro systems that do this too.

despite my aesthetic misgivings, it's a very good, functional metro system. it provides cheap mass transit for the people and that's what it's really about.
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Japan and India have "women only" carriages too I believe.
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