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Old August 28th, 2011, 05:27 PM   #901
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London, Moscow and Madrid metro networks are larger than Paris.
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Old August 29th, 2011, 02:39 PM   #902
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Because you just consider "Metro" and not the "RER". "Metro" de Paris is only corresponding to the center of Greater Paris. When for example the London metro includes also the whole Greater london (55% is not underground). You have to compare what is comparable. But I know it is confusing.

So the Great Parisian metro is the buisiest and biggest in Europe. (and horizon 5/10 years the biggest in the world with the new hudge ring they are starting to build).


What you forgot is "only" that part :



Here is a zoom on the purple area (what you call Paris, which is only the center of greater Paris) :


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Old August 29th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #903
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sorry but RER is not a metro system
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Old August 29th, 2011, 05:03 PM   #904
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I was very disappointed by the condition of Paris Metro when i visited there a couple of months ago.

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Old August 29th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #905
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Of all the 1 subway sistems I used, I like London Underground the best.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 10:46 PM   #906
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But then stop comparing systems that are not the same london underground is more or less a rer in the outside parts.
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Old August 31st, 2011, 10:59 PM   #907
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public transports in london are much better than the ones in paris

local commuters in paris dont even seem to buy tickets for their travels, what i saw was that they just jump over the gates and use the service, i was shocked to see women and girls also do that. paris meto is just so filthy and stink, lacks of staffs and cctv cameras at the stations, i was really helpless when i got lost

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Old September 1st, 2011, 02:08 PM   #908
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I agree some people are cheating, they need to improve the controls.

And yes, people are very busy and it is hard to catch someone to help you. You have to head to the ticket office.

I don't think it is filthy everywhere though, it just looks old in some parts, but that's the charm of it.

Being a hudge transport network has a cost.
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Old September 4th, 2011, 03:59 AM   #909
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What is with all the construction pics? No-one cares. People want to see the finished article, and even then those pics should be in tens not flipping millions.
Yes that is so annoying. I always skip through them
as fast as i can. These people can't even think
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Old September 22nd, 2011, 03:17 AM   #910
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New York subway is definitely the most dirtiest and smelliest out of everyone.
It shouldn't even be called subway UGG!
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Old September 23rd, 2011, 05:47 PM   #911
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New York subway is definitely the most dirtiest and smelliest out of everyone.
It shouldn't even be called subway UGG!
Thank you for your incredibly insightful and well thought out post.

NY is the 6th busiest system in the world, the largest by number of stations, and the oldest system in the world outside London I believe, and runs 24 hours a day so there aren't large chunks of time where cleaning crews can come in and scrub everything down, and the only with four track lay outs so express and locals can run uptown and downtown simultaneously, so suggesting it shouldn't be called a subway, is well, dumb.

Could it be cleaner? Yeah, absolutely. But it's really important to realize that fares are relatively low in comparison to other cities I've been to, and after doing a quick google search NYs subway does look pretty cheap globally. More importantly though, in comparison to other subways systems around the world the MTA gets almost no form of federal subsidies. If you remove those federal subsidies from other systems around the world, and require the municipal authority in charge of maintaining, and extending those metro systems to basically stand on its own two feet with no federal money, I imagine that they too would look more like NYs after a few years. That's not a shot at other metros or countries, it's more a shot at Washington.

But that is an entirely different discussion, but back to the discussion. I've never been to Moscow, but Paris has some pretty beautiful stations, so that would be pretty close to the top of my list of favorite subways.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #912
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Thank you for your incredibly insightful and well thought out post.

NY is the 6th busiest system in the world, the largest by number of stations, and the oldest system in the world outside London I believe, and runs 24 hours a day so there aren't large chunks of time where cleaning crews can come in and scrub everything down, and the only with four track lay outs so express and locals can run uptown and downtown simultaneously, so suggesting it shouldn't be called a subway, is well, dumb.

Could it be cleaner? Yeah, absolutely. But it's really important to realize that fares are relatively low in comparison to other cities I've been to, and after doing a quick google search NYs subway does look pretty cheap globally. More importantly though, in comparison to other subways systems around the world the MTA gets almost no form of federal subsidies. If you remove those federal subsidies from other systems around the world, and require the municipal authority in charge of maintaining, and extending those metro systems to basically stand on its own two feet with no federal money, I imagine that they too would look more like NYs after a few years. That's not a shot at other metros or countries, it's more a shot at Washington.

But that is an entirely different discussion, but back to the discussion. I've never been to Moscow, but Paris has some pretty beautiful stations, so that would be pretty close to the top of my list of favorite subways.
I guess I did take it to far.
But as NYC, the world class city, Manhattan, best everything... in
the world. Couldn't they fix their subway better?? Look at the other less popular cities and they are high rated and their networks are quite large for cleanup. NY could do wayy better, just to let you know. and BTW this thread is
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Old October 10th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #913
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So far best Metro system I used were Shanghai and Beijing. Athens is also quite good and very clean, but Lisbon has definitely the most beautiful stations (within those that I have used). I only will try Moscow one next month.
Worst would be Rome for sure, but Paris was also a big disappointing (although new stations are nice).
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Old October 11th, 2011, 07:24 AM   #914
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Yay back on track !!
Lets hope other people will continue the discussion!
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Old November 16th, 2011, 04:10 AM   #915
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i wish more north american cities had subway systems. Ive only experienced new york
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Old November 16th, 2011, 04:20 AM   #916
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i wish more north american cities had subway systems. Ive only experienced new york
Yes it would be nice, but I doubt they would be better than New york.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 07:55 AM   #917
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i wish more north american cities had subway systems. Ive only experienced new york
We have quite a few, but more would be nice. These are north America's largest by weekday ridership:

01. New York City 7,512,100
02. Mexico City 3,860,000
03. Montreal 1,111,700
04. Toronto 948,100
05. Washington, D.C. 919,300

06. Chicago 638,000
07. Boston 478,000
08. Vancouver 426,500
09. San Francisco 343,200
10. Philadelphia 314,800

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_ridership
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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:25 AM   #918
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We have quite a few, but more would be nice. These are north America's largest by weekday ridership:

01. New York City 7,512,100
02. Mexico City 3,860,000
03. Montreal 1,111,700
04. Toronto 948,100
05. Washington, D.C. 919,300

06. Chicago 638,000
07. Boston 478,000
08. Vancouver 426,500
09. San Francisco 343,200
10. Philadelphia 314,800

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_ridership
I can see only three cities have over 1,000,000 weekday ridership.
I would say it would be nice if Seattle had an subway.(or Portland.)
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Old November 17th, 2011, 03:32 AM   #919
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Seattle has monorail and portland is just too small.
P.s. didn't expect vancouver to be that low on the list
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Portland is about the same size as Vancouver.
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