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Old August 11th, 2005, 08:48 PM   #1
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I think the Wirral thread has gone for the second time

Spotted this application yesterday for planning permission on the gates of Fishermans Wharf (see last pic). Can't believe Wirral Council have set their sights so low (no pun intended). I posted a few pics of this area last year under the thread Prime Real Estate

Anyway, I followed the instructions on the application and it took me to this page

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Old August 11th, 2005, 08:59 PM   #2
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Bit tall for the Wirral is it not?
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Old August 11th, 2005, 08:59 PM   #3
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Agreed it's not the 20 odd storey mixed use tower that site merits, but to be fair to Wirral, it's more appropriate than some of the bungalow-with-garden developments Liverpool City Council have bizarrely placed within the CBD.
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Old August 11th, 2005, 09:04 PM   #4
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I've been past that site, if WBC had any aspiration, ambition, common sense, financial brains, this would be their tall building zone!! 30 mikes+ would look great here and what a view!! shit I might move to B'head myself (what I am saying!!)
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Old August 11th, 2005, 09:41 PM   #5
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I agree Doug. This affords the best view of the Liverpool waterfront bar none. There is nothing on Wirral's side to compare.
When you stand next to the railings, you're almost looking directly across to the Liver Buildings. That first pic doesn't do it justice. Here's a pic I took last year of my Mum standing by the railings. Posted not for sentimental reasons, but just to give some idea of the views seen from the groundfloor of our imaginary tall building

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Old August 11th, 2005, 10:55 PM   #6
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agreed, its a stunning view, mersey would look so much better with something to look at on both sides
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Old August 11th, 2005, 10:57 PM   #7
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still 7 stories is a start, maybe itl help developers notice the wirral has such a great location and maybe kickstart regeneration over there
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Old August 12th, 2005, 04:00 AM   #8
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Potential, potential, potential!

Without a doubt the Wirral water front, Birkenhead, the docks would provide or should provide any city planners dream.

Vast vista, water space and transport links.

http://www.wirral.gov.uk/pp/economy.htm

and unemployment.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 04:40 PM   #9
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There's an application before Wirral MBC regarding the old corn warehouses in the Birkenhead docks (it's actually been in since late June but I only heard of it yesterday so apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere). An Edinburgh developer, Gregor Shore Ltd, wants to convert them into residential apartments (178 units) and has the full backing of the MDHC. The scheme means the Historic Warships will need a new home btw...
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Old August 15th, 2005, 04:46 PM   #10
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Setback for £1.4bn shipyard revamp



A SCHEME to revitalise Merseyside's historic former Cammell Laird shipyard suffered a setback last night after it emerged the Harbour Master of Liverpool was against the submitted plans.

The proposed £1.4bn development, which would take 15 years to build, would see 4,000 waterfont homes built, along with office and leisure facilities all powered by their own power station.

Also listed in the outline planning application, submitted by Reddington Finance, which owns the site are plans to reclaim land from the River Mersey for a cultural centre.

But Captain Steve Gallimore, the Harbour Master for the Port of Liverpool and the River Mersey, has voiced concerns that the development would have a catastrophic effect on shipping using the river.

Captain Gallimore said he did not believe Reddington had researched the possible impact of their proposals, adding: "The prospect of any organisation obtaining consent to build into the river purely for property development is extremely remote."

Captain Gallimore said even small changes to the river flow would have dramatic effects on where sand is deposited, a key factor for the busy shipping route.

He added: "These are enormous, far-reaching issues. Consequently, any proposed development within the River Mersey estuary is subject to a rigorous planning system to ensure that an internationally significant port such as Liverpool, surrounded by internationally designated and protected environmental sites, are fully considered.

"As Harbour Master, I also have a statutory duty to ensure safe navigation for all river users. It is highly likely that development into the river, especially at the river's narrowest point, would significantly increase the risk to vessels using the river."

His comments follow similar concerns voiced by Robert Swift, a Liverpool pilot, who guides tankers and other large vessels up and down the river.

He said the area where Reddington plans to build appears to encroach on a key anchorage position for supertankers, the last point in the south of the river where they can stop in deep water if there is an emergency.

He said the reclamation of land from the river could create a "protruding tidal obstruction" which could take the force out of the tides and cause sand to be dropped.

Mr Swift added: "If this is built, it could cause siltation in-shore and scour off-shore. Such siltation could seriously reduce supertanker traffic into the Mersey, with consequent knock-on effect to trade, infrastructure and employment in the area."

Last night, Mike Ryder, site director for Reddington Finance, said: "We are currently working on feasibility studies in relation to the proposals and we will be discussing the results with all the relevant agencies.

"We will be looking at the impact the development would have on the river and safety on the river is also of paramount importance to us."

A spokesperson for Wirral Council added: "We have received an outline planning application. However, we are still waiting on further details from the applicants. These details are necessary for an application of this size and scale. When all this information is received, details will be made public in keeping with usual planning procedures."
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Old August 15th, 2005, 05:45 PM   #11
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What utter nonsense, I know that type, they only know one word in life, and that word is 'no'. Look at it this way: if the area the river covers is reduced (through reclamation), but the flows in and out (from rivers, the sea, rain etc) remain the same, that means the river will become faster and deeper. He's making a huge fuss, and standing on a principle that its "his" river and no-one can touch it.

What is of most value to Liverpool? Thousands of high paying jobs in offices, and a regenerated and well populated core, or a tiny number of jobs directly created by over-sized highly inflammable super-tankers coming down river? I thought the berth in Anglesey was supposed to take those big tankers, they shouldn't even be in the river.

I say build on the river and if the tankers dont like it, tough. I wouldn't mind, but from memory the proposed reclamation was paltry - this guy needs to get over himself, as it's just the start - there will be hopefully be bigger and bolder reclamation proposals as land values in central Liverpool rise.

Weren't all the Docks on the Liverpool side created by reclamation anyway? So it's okay in one century to reclaim land, but not in this one?

Yes, I know, some kind of Act of Parliament will probably be necessary to strip this person of his powers, and one should be introduced as a private members bill if he goes around stopping valuable developments.
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Old August 17th, 2005, 06:51 AM   #12
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Cool New Brighton

Some reminders of why you went to New Brighton .....

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Old August 17th, 2005, 11:20 PM   #13
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Wink We`ll have them..........

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There's an application before Wirral MBC regarding the old corn warehouses in the Birkenhead docks (it's actually been in since late June but I only heard of it yesterday so apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere). An Edinburgh developer, Gregor Shore Ltd, wants to convert them into residential apartments (178 units) and has the full backing of the MDHC. The scheme means the Historic Warships will need a new home btw...
Bring them over to Canning or Salthouse Docks, they would fit in with the returned HMS Whimbrel .
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 10:41 PM   #14
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Dockland flats plan to offer 'gracious' views Aug 23 2005




By Liam Murphy Daily Post Staff


DOCKLAND living and luxury office accommodation could soon be coming to one of Wirral's poorest areas.

Planning applications are being considered for a dramatic new office block on Wirral's seafront which overlooks Liverpool's world famous waterfront, along with a separate scheme to convert six-storey former corn warehouses in Seacombe.

Mike Rice of Wirral company Aqualogic confirmed they are planning an ambitious seven-storey office block overlooking the Three Graces and said his company is currently in discussion with national and international companies interested in moving in there.

Mr Rice, whose company Aqualogic supplies innovative water-saving equipment around the world, said they had bought the land to relocate his own business premises but had realised the potential of the site.

"I think this will start something down there.

"Spencer Dock in Dublin was a lot worse than anything we have and they have transformed it. Now they are selling off-plan, before buildings are even finished.

"This site is between the Seacombe ferry and the Irish Sea ferry terminals and right opposite the Three Graces, so it has fantastic views and good transport links.

"This area is starting to regenerate now, and rightly so. I think we will see a lot of development in the area around those docks now."

Planners have also been asked to give the go-ahead for the conversion of historic waterside mills at Birkenhead Docks into 178 duplex and single floor apartments.

The detailed application has been submitted by Edinburgh-based Gregor Shore UK, one of the UK's top specialists in refurbishing listed buildings, backed by the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company which owns the site.

Gregor Shore's design coordinator Peter McCallum said: "They are stunning buildings, and we're looking to refurbish and convert them.

"We are very excited with this development and the potential that the area holds for the future.

"We're doing similar new-build developments in Edinburgh and have a history of completing this sort of development."

Mersey Docks' director of estates,, Bernard Cook, described the proposed redevelopment as heralding the dawn of a new era for a significant area of Birkenhead Docks.

He said: "The redevelopment of the mills will mark the start of the transformation of a waterside area no longer needed for its original purpose as part of the Port of Liverpool."

The project will also mean the transfer of the Historic Warships Museum to a fresh location within Birkenhead Docks.

"We will be working closely with Wirral Borough Council to assist them in relocating this heritage facility," said Mr Cook.

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Old August 24th, 2005, 01:38 PM   #15
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Dockland flats plan to offer 'gracious' views

Aug 23 2005

By Liam Murphy Daily Post Staff


DOCKLAND living and luxury office accommodation could soon be coming to one of Wirral's poorest areas.

Planning applications are being considered for a dramatic new office block on Wirral's seafront which overlooks Liverpool's world famous waterfront, along with a separate scheme to convert six-storey former corn warehouses in Seacombe.

Mike Rice of Wirral company Aqualogic confirmed they are planning an ambitious seven-storey office block overlooking the Three Graces and said his company is currently in discussion with national and international companies interested in moving in there.

Mr Rice, whose company Aqualogic supplies innovative water-saving equipment around the world, said they had bought the land to relocate his own business premises but had realised the potential of the site.

"I think this will start something down there.

"Spencer Dock in Dublin was a lot worse than anything we have and they have transformed it. Now they are selling off-plan, before buildings are even finished.

"This site is between the Seacombe ferry and the Irish Sea ferry terminals and right opposite the Three Graces, so it has fantastic views and good transport links.

"This area is starting to regenerate now, and rightly so. I think we will see a lot of development in the area around those docks now."

Planners have also been asked to give the go-ahead for the conversion of historic waterside mills at Birkenhead Docks into 178 duplex and single floor apartments.

The detailed application has been submitted by Edinburgh-based Gregor Shore UK, one of the UK's top specialists in refurbishing listed buildings, backed by the Mersey Docks and Harbour Company which owns the site.

Gregor Shore's design coordinator Peter McCallum said: "They are stunning buildings, and we're looking to refurbish and convert them.

"We are very excited with this development and the potential that the area holds for the future.

"We're doing similar new-build developments in Edinburgh and have a history of completing this sort of development."

Mersey Docks' director of estates,, Bernard Cook, described the proposed redevelopment as heralding the dawn of a new era for a significant area of Birkenhead Docks.

He said: "The redevelopment of the mills will mark the start of the transformation of a waterside area no longer needed for its original purpose as part of the Port of Liverpool."

The project will also mean the transfer of the Historic Warships Museum to a fresh location within Birkenhead Docks.

"We will be working closely with Wirral Borough Council to assist them in relocating this heritage facility," said Mr Cook.

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Wirral may not need EU cash to salvage £75m plan Sep 23 2005




By Liam Murphy Daily Post Staff





THE £75m Neptune scheme to redevelop New Brighton could go ahead without European funding - if approved by a government inspector - according to a leaked council report.

The controversial plan, the biggest project of its kind in Wirral, was dealt a blow yesterday when the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister ordered a public inquiry.

Council leaders and others backing said they feared this delay could mean the seafront project would miss out on £13m of public funds and the future of New Brighton's redevelopment could be at risk.

Last night a spokeswoman for the council said: "Wirral is not even considering a fall-back position at this time.

"We believe that this scheme should be expedited and can progress to deliver all of the benefits planned for the people of New Brighton."

But according to a report by Wirral's deputy chief executive Jim Wilkie - leaked to the Daily Post - if only part of the grants from European Objective 1 funds and Mersey Waterfront Regional Park are given to the scheme, developers Neptune will still complete the Core Development and carry out works to the value of the public grants that are given.

But Mr Wilkie also said that if none of the grant is available Neptune "has guaranteed" it will carry out the core development. It says: "Everything except works to the Floral Pavilion Theatre and the pier or alternative attraction."

The plans by Neptune include a new Morrisons supermarket to be built on part of the marine lake, a replacement lake, apartment blocks, a lido, restaurants, and cinema.

It was also hoped the Floral Pavilion Theatre would be revamped - at a cost of almost £10m - and a new pier constructed costing approximately £3m.



According to the report, the total scheme will cost £74m, or £64,760,000 excluding the costs of the supermarket which is thought will be built and paid for by the store owner.

But the value of the completed scheme will be £51,946,000, and the council had applied for £6.5m of European Objective 1 funds and £6.5m in match funding from Mersey Waterfront Regional Park to make up the difference.

According to the figures supplied by Neptune to the council if the full £13m in grants is available there will be the necessary £64m to complete the development, including a revamp of the Floral Pavilion and building the pier.

The report says Neptune has estimated the value of the council's land at New Brighton as £15.1m, and the authority will receive 10% of the rents from commercial leases on the scheme, estimated at £150,000 per year.

However, the development now has to be scrutinised at a public inquiry and arrangements are being made to try and make that happen as soon as possible.

It is believed that if the inquiry can be completed this year and a go-ahead decision made by early 2006, work could start early next year to allow the scheme to qualify for grants which have to be used by December 31, 2008.
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Old October 13th, 2005, 07:16 PM   #17
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Licensed to kill - and I'm from Merseyside Oct 13 2005

He left school at 16, but now he's being billed as the new James Bond. Sam Lister reports.

Daily Post

HE'S SUAVE, he's debonair, he's the world's favourite spy - and this time round he's from Wirral.

The next 007 has been picked and according to industry insiders it's Hoylake actor Daniel Craig.

The first blond Bond in the film series' history has been a favourite of the producer Barbara Broccoli since she began the search for Pierce Brosnan's replacement earlier this year.

An official announcement is expected later this week but Craig's mother Carol Olivia, who still lives in the west Wirral town, was struggling to keep the secret.

Last night she told the Daily Post: "Obviously we are thrilled to bits.

"It has come at a very good time in his career. He has worked extremely hard all his life and this would be his biggest populist role.

"I think he could bring something very interesting to the part. It will be life-changing."

Craig was born in Chester but grew up in Hoylake where he went to Hilbre High School and fleetingly attended Calday Grange before dropping out and heading to London at 16.

On his third attempt he got into Guildhall drama college, where his contemporaries included Ralph Fiennes and Ewan McGregor. He has worked steadily ever since and has earned a reputation as a serious actor for his theatre work.

His first major role was on the small screen playing Geordie Peacock in the gritty drama Our Friends In The North. He went on to be cast as Paul Newman's vengeful son in the Sam Mendes movie Road To Perdition and later appeared in the Morgan Freeman film The Power Of One.

Since then he has played opposite Angelina Jolie in Lara Croft Tomb Raider and starred as poet laureate Ted Hughes to Gwyneth Paltrow's Sylvia Plath in the biopic of one of literature's most famous couples.

But in recent months the intensely private thespian has become more well known for his dalliances with A-list British celebrities.

He had an on-off relationship with troubled super model Kate Moss, which propelled him into the headlines, and has since been linked with Sienna Miller, his co-star in British gangster film Layer Cake.

Craig would be the sixth actor to take on the James Bond mantle in the 21st film in the series based on the books by Ian Fleming.

Casino Royale returns to the start of the spy's career in Her Majesty's secret service and filming is expected to begin in January.

Bookmaker William Hill is refusing to take any more bets on Craig being officially named for the part.

Last night his agent refused to confirm or deny Craig has landed the top role, as did the production company Sony.

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Old October 13th, 2005, 08:32 PM   #18
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all that derelict land should be made into a big park, i was in sydney a few years ago, and they had a park with amazing views of their skyline from a distance.
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It was Die Another Day actually, but your point still stands.

Although I knew New Brighton had been in decline for some years, when I went over there during the summer, I couldn't believe just how dead it seemed. Despite this, whereas Morecambe is a resort with it's soul removed, and there is no going back, New Brighton, despite the bleakness, still seemed like it had potential. I know people are against a supermarket being built on the marine lake, but I'd like to see it happen ASAP. Maybe bringing more people onto the waterfront on a regular basis will give the resort the boost it needs to re-establish itself as a fun, safe, and family-friendly way to while away those long summer days.
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