St. Louis. Southern?

Goatman · August 11th, 2005, 11:37 PM

I was in my philosophy class the other day and my teacher was making comments about how the culture of the tampa area in florida was more of a eastern type. She also made the comment that south florida is not a true southern climate or feel. She said that missouri was a southern state. I made the comment that i was from st. louis and it was not at all a deep southern city. Then she made the comment well its southern/midwestern. Thats when i realized that this bitch has either never been to st. louis or she has never looked at a map of the us. Because if she considers St. Louis a southern city then she considers illinois a southern state considering illinois is right across the river. I don't get this common idea everywhere i go that st. louis is a slow country town. does anyone else feel the same way about their city and have to constantly defend it? Is st. louis a county town? does the midwest have a image of being country and uncivilized? And how the hell is the culture of tampa florida more urban or eastern than st. louis?

edsg25 · August 12th, 2005, 12:24 AM

If you were to ask me which city in the nation comes closest to fitting the description: northern, southern, eastern, western, it would be St. Louis.

Goatman · August 12th, 2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by edsg25

If you were to ask me which city in the nation comes closest to fitting the description: northern, southern, eastern, western, it would be St. Louis.

my point exactly there is no city like st. louis it's one of a kind much like most of the midwest

The anti-cheesehead · August 12th, 2005, 01:03 AM

I've been to Tampa, and I agree that it doesn't really feel like the south.

I haven't been to St. Louis, but I've seen a lot of pics, it looks more eastern than southern.

JivecitySTL · August 12th, 2005, 01:10 AM

Teachers can be ignorant too. Chances are she's never been here and has no knowledge of the forces that led to its growth or development. While the city does draw certain characteristics from various regions, it is much more of a northern city than a southern city, and always has been.

Azn_chi_boi · August 12th, 2005, 02:15 AM

Lol.. as Illinois being a southern state. The part of the state near Kentucky I can understand, but calling the whole state is making Chicago is southern too.

Maybe the teacher thought St Louis was southern because missouri was a slave state in the 1800's?

SneakyJungleCow · August 12th, 2005, 02:32 AM

Trying not to let my hatred of Tampa get in the way I must say that to me Tampa is pretty southern. It has its areas of exception and a slew of transplants, but it still is heavily southern to me. I wouldnt even begin to put St. Louis in the same sentence as Tampa regarding vibrancy, and urbanity, and even foward thinking. That woman definately needs to get a clue, I hope for the sake of all of the students of the school that you go to that this woman is only a teachers aid.

SneakyJungleCow · August 12th, 2005, 02:34 AM

As far as the whole slave state thing, wasnt it divided like Kentucky. I dont really know too much about the civil war, but I was at a museum the other day that showed that Kentucky was neutral and took sides, where Louisville was majority union and Lexington was majority Confederate. Maybe Missouri was similar perhaps, because I was pretty sure Mo. wasnt all out confederate, but I could easily be incorrect.

MJinOshkosh · August 12th, 2005, 02:55 AM

To me it is easy to confuse the region and what was Missouri's politiacal situation when it was admitted as a state. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Deleware were all Confederate (Slave) States. West Virginia in a convention in 1863 I think split with Virginia and became the State of West Virginia as a result of the Civil War. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Deleware though declared slave states never left the union and stayed as nuetral states even though there were troops who fought for one side or another, ie Jesse James from Missouri fought for the south and his brother Frank fought for the north.

To me Saint Louis has been called the Gate way to the west and maybe that is a more apt way at looking at Saint Louis as the gateway city to the west.

Expat · August 12th, 2005, 03:14 AM

Goatman, your teacher needs to be educated. Hope she isn't teaching geography. However, to say a place is southern is not the same thing as saying it is country and uncivilized. Southern folks will get mad at that. By the way Goatman, sounds like you can take the boy out of St. Louis, but you can't take St. Louis out of the boy. It is still home, isn't it? I am the same way. You don't realize how great St. Louis is until you leave. I don't know Tampa well, only visited briefly as a tourist - it didn't strike me as terribly eastern? I wonder where your teacher gets that? Maybe there are factors I don't understand about Tampa - maybe it is the transplant population. I thought it was kind of quiet there and the city neighborhoods seem more like suburbs to me, but I did like the Bayshore Drive and some other things.

And one more thing - it seems like no matter where you live, someone makes stupid comments about it.

XSpringfieldGuy · August 12th, 2005, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Expat

And one more thing - it seems like no matter where you live, someone makes stupid comments about it.

I could not have said it any better!

indyfan · August 12th, 2005, 05:05 AM

^Me neither

Latoso · August 12th, 2005, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MJinOshkosh

To me Saint Louis has been called the Gate way to the west and maybe that is a more apt way at looking at Saint Louis as the gateway city to the west.

^Maybe you mean North or South. You said gateway to the WEST both times?

gaviidae · August 12th, 2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Latoso

^Maybe you mean North or South. You said gateway to the WEST both times?

Saint Louis is the Gateway to the West. Although, I never have quite understood why, because Kansas City seems like a more appropriate location for a "Western Gateway".

Latoso · August 13th, 2005, 03:43 AM

^Gotcha! Thanks.

CircleCity27 · August 13th, 2005, 09:14 AM

St.Louis & Birmingham,AL are 1 of the same, so yeah I would say "Taint Louis" is part of the of the "Dirty South", why don't they turn the Gategay Arch 45 degrees and make St.Louis the "Gateway" to the South, it would be much more fitting..

Indy is Wonderful, I mean Killin'!!

Justadude · August 13th, 2005, 09:24 AM

St. Louis has certain Southern associations: blues/jazz music, Mississippi River culture, a heavy black population, some culinary attributes. Saying it's an all-around Southern city is just stupid, but it's not exclusively midwestern either (for that matter, you could say the same about Chicago... but that's a whole other subject). The fact that there's historically been a fair amount of circulation between St.L and ports southward (Memphis, N.O.) has something to do with it, as does the influx of Southern blacks many decades ago. Like Expat said, it's not necessarily accusing the city of being "country", just pointing out that it has some of the same cultural markers that you'd find in similar-sized cities in the South.

jacerw99 · August 15th, 2005, 07:47 PM

Who is CircleCity27, and how quickly can we get him kicked off?

cincyimages · August 15th, 2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jacerw99

Who is CircleCity27, and how quickly can we get him kicked off?

One of the mods took care of that cracka. He shouldn't be bothering you guys anymore. You can thank me later

samsonyuen · August 15th, 2005, 09:37 PM

Well said, edsg25. It's as close to N, E, S, Western at the same time as they come.

August 11th, 2005, 11:37 PM	#1
Goatman World Re-nowned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: St. Louis / Tampa Bay Posts: 223 Likes (Received): 0	St. Louis. Southern? I was in my philosophy class the other day and my teacher was making comments about how the culture of the tampa area in florida was more of a eastern type. She also made the comment that south florida is not a true southern climate or feel. She said that missouri was a southern state. I made the comment that i was from st. louis and it was not at all a deep southern city. Then she made the comment well its southern/midwestern. Thats when i realized that this bitch has either never been to st. louis or she has never looked at a map of the us. Because if she considers St. Louis a southern city then she considers illinois a southern state considering illinois is right across the river. I don't get this common idea everywhere i go that st. louis is a slow country town. does anyone else feel the same way about their city and have to constantly defend it? Is st. louis a county town? does the midwest have a image of being country and uncivilized? And how the hell is the culture of tampa florida more urban or eastern than st. louis?

August 12th, 2005, 01:03 AM	#4
The anti-cheesehead Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: City of Minneapolis Posts: 3,028 Likes (Received): 0	I've been to Tampa, and I agree that it doesn't really feel like the south. I haven't been to St. Louis, but I've seen a lot of pics, it looks more eastern than southern. __________________ Minneapolis *AND* St. Paul: pop. 669,769 in 108 sq. miles

August 12th, 2005, 01:10 AM	#5
JivecitySTL The Jive is Alive. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,559 Likes (Received): 0	Teachers can be ignorant too. Chances are she's never been here and has no knowledge of the forces that led to its growth or development. While the city does draw certain characteristics from various regions, it is much more of a northern city than a southern city, and always has been. __________________ You can't spell STYLE without STL. www.stl-style.com

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August 12th, 2005, 12:24 AM	#2
edsg25 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 0	If you were to ask me which city in the nation comes closest to fitting the description: northern, southern, eastern, western, it would be St. Louis.

August 12th, 2005, 02:15 AM	#6
Azn_chi_boi BANNED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bridgeport + Chinatown, Chicago Posts: 4,269 Likes (Received): 0	Lol.. as Illinois being a southern state. The part of the state near Kentucky I can understand, but calling the whole state is making Chicago is southern too. Maybe the teacher thought St Louis was southern because missouri was a slave state in the 1800's?

August 12th, 2005, 02:32 AM	#7
SneakyJungleCow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Likes (Received): 0	Trying not to let my hatred of Tampa get in the way I must say that to me Tampa is pretty southern. It has its areas of exception and a slew of transplants, but it still is heavily southern to me. I wouldnt even begin to put St. Louis in the same sentence as Tampa regarding vibrancy, and urbanity, and even foward thinking. That woman definately needs to get a clue, I hope for the sake of all of the students of the school that you go to that this woman is only a teachers aid.

August 12th, 2005, 02:34 AM	#8
SneakyJungleCow Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Likes (Received): 0	As far as the whole slave state thing, wasnt it divided like Kentucky. I dont really know too much about the civil war, but I was at a museum the other day that showed that Kentucky was neutral and took sides, where Louisville was majority union and Lexington was majority Confederate. Maybe Missouri was similar perhaps, because I was pretty sure Mo. wasnt all out confederate, but I could easily be incorrect.

August 12th, 2005, 02:55 AM	#9
MJinOshkosh Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 174 Likes (Received): 0	To me it is easy to confuse the region and what was Missouri's politiacal situation when it was admitted as a state. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Deleware were all Confederate (Slave) States. West Virginia in a convention in 1863 I think split with Virginia and became the State of West Virginia as a result of the Civil War. Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Deleware though declared slave states never left the union and stayed as nuetral states even though there were troops who fought for one side or another, ie Jesse James from Missouri fought for the south and his brother Frank fought for the north. To me Saint Louis has been called the Gate way to the west and maybe that is a more apt way at looking at Saint Louis as the gateway city to the west.

August 12th, 2005, 03:14 AM	#10
Expat Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,042 Likes (Received): 0	Goatman, your teacher needs to be educated. Hope she isn't teaching geography. However, to say a place is southern is not the same thing as saying it is country and uncivilized. Southern folks will get mad at that. By the way Goatman, sounds like you can take the boy out of St. Louis, but you can't take St. Louis out of the boy. It is still home, isn't it? I am the same way. You don't realize how great St. Louis is until you leave. I don't know Tampa well, only visited briefly as a tourist - it didn't strike me as terribly eastern? I wonder where your teacher gets that? Maybe there are factors I don't understand about Tampa - maybe it is the transplant population. I thought it was kind of quiet there and the city neighborhoods seem more like suburbs to me, but I did like the Bayshore Drive and some other things. And one more thing - it seems like no matter where you live, someone makes stupid comments about it.

August 12th, 2005, 05:05 AM	#12
indyfan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 148 Likes (Received): 0	^Me neither

August 13th, 2005, 09:14 AM	#16
CircleCity27 Indy, Midwests 2nd City!! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: INDIANAPOLIS!!! Posts: 16 Likes (Received): 0	St.Louis & Birmingham,AL are 1 of the same, so yeah I would say "Taint Louis" is part of the of the "Dirty South", why don't they turn the Gategay Arch 45 degrees and make St.Louis the "Gateway" to the South, it would be much more fitting.. Indy is Wonderful, I mean Killin'!!

August 13th, 2005, 09:24 AM	#17
Justadude Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,368 Likes (Received): 0	St. Louis has certain Southern associations: blues/jazz music, Mississippi River culture, a heavy black population, some culinary attributes. Saying it's an all-around Southern city is just stupid, but it's not exclusively midwestern either (for that matter, you could say the same about Chicago... but that's a whole other subject). The fact that there's historically been a fair amount of circulation between St.L and ports southward (Memphis, N.O.) has something to do with it, as does the influx of Southern blacks many decades ago. Like Expat said, it's not necessarily accusing the city of being "country", just pointing out that it has some of the same cultural markers that you'd find in similar-sized cities in the South.

August 15th, 2005, 07:47 PM	#18
jacerw99 Lurrrrrd Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 194 Likes (Received): 0	Who is CircleCity27, and how quickly can we get him kicked off?

August 15th, 2005, 09:37 PM	#20
samsonyuen SSLL Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Canary Wharf > CityPlace Posts: 8,534 Likes (Received): 0	Well said, edsg25. It's as close to N, E, S, Western at the same time as they come.