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Old January 11th, 2009, 04:41 AM   #201
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Penrith fans might even be lucky to be able to watch their team play from their balcony, like St George fans can do from their apartments in Wollongong or the balconies of their homes backing onto Kogarah oval.
Nah, I'd still rather watch my team continually f*** it up whilst watching in the eastern grandstand...

But living next door to the stadium would be quite handy all the same.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 11:07 PM   #202
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I would like to know where else in Penrith there are any 14 to 16 storey buildings (``$450m breath of life’’, Press, January 6).
I find it quite unbelievable that this has been passed by council.
If you want big ugly buildings like that go and live in Parramatta or Blacktown.
One of the many good things about Penrith is there are no oversize office or apartment blocks.
The Tax Office is bad enough and that is only seven storeys.
It will be a blight on the landscape.
Not to mention the extra traffic this will create in the area.
Try going along Mulgoa Rd on a Saturday now. It will be like that every day.
The council should take a good look at itself and ask why this was not been done before.
Because the people of Penrith don’t want it.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 12:11 AM   #203
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Well, the validity of that statement will tested when Council gets the first DA's for that site, and is subsequently placed on public exhibition.

Until then, it sounds like a lot of hot air from a NIMBY who thinks he's speaking for every Penrith resident.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 05:39 AM   #204
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As person who has lived in Penrith their whole lives, I can honestly say this nimby aka someone over 45 (no offence to those who are over 45) does not represent the majority of Penrith's opinions.
I'm 20 and its about time Penrith got some serious buildings, I hate the whole low rise CBD of Penrith.
Its a perfect place to build mid-highrise buildings, the city is organised well already, and theres lots of room to build on.
They're not properly utilising the space there, my suburb of St Clair which is a suburb, not a city has 25,000 people living in it, where as Penrith City which has 5 times the amount of space and only has 10,000 WTF is up with that!
Build some high rise apartments, especially near the cbd, bulk up the skyline a little!

(For those who read the Parra forum, it says I moved there coz I like Parra, but i've moved back to St Clair, saving for a down payment, then i'm moving back to Parra asap!)
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 08:56 AM   #205
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They're not properly utilising the space there, my suburb of St Clair which is a suburb, not a city has 25,000 people living in it, where as Penrith City which has 5 times the amount of space and only has 10,000 WTF is up with that!
Build some high rise apartments, especially near the cbd, bulk up the skyline a little!
To be fair, the suburb of Penrith has a variety of land uses. The southern part of the suburb (although it might be part of South Penrith) is industrial and bulky goods retail, whilst the commercial area is predominently commercial. There are also flood contraints on the land fronting the river.

Having said that, it would be beneficial for Penrith to look into some mixed use developments in the CBD area and increase densities on the fringes of the CBD. It would increase the variety of housing stock as well as provide an easier commute for local employees.

St Clair is predominently residential from what I understand and there is limited commercial space bar the shopping centre and the set up on Mamre Rd (I'm not a local, so I may be wrong). It is quite a large suburb in comparison to many others in Sydney.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 02:07 PM   #206
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To be fair, the suburb of Penrith has a variety of land uses. The southern part of the suburb (although it might be part of South Penrith) is industrial and bulky goods retail, whilst the commercial area is predominently commercial. There are also flood contraints on the land fronting the river.

Having said that, it would be beneficial for Penrith to look into some mixed use developments in the CBD area and increase densities on the fringes of the CBD. It would increase the variety of housing stock as well as provide an easier commute for local employees.

St Clair is predominantly residential from what I understand and there is limited commercial space bar the shopping centre and the set up on Mamre Rd (I'm not a local, so I may be wrong). It is quite a large suburb in comparison to many others in Sydney.
True bout St Clair being predominately residential, however it isnt exactly large, its only about 2 sq km max.

What i'm saying is, that there is alot of available land not being used in penrith right near the cbd that should be turned into office buildings, apartments and commercial, Penrith needs more nightclubs for one thing, theres only like 2-3, and they arent that good to begin with.

The closest they have to bulk residential are townhouses/villas or 2 story units.

I think they should build a few 30-50 metre high apartments and office buildings in the cbd around the station area. Bulk it up, which will encourage new commercial businesses to build taller structures.
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 09:54 PM   #207
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The problem with Mulgoa Rd, is that it's roundabout after roundabout slowing the traffic down. Why do planners insist on roundabouts for major roads these days.

Like other regional centres in Sydney, it's the Westfield that is sucking the life out of Penrith. I went there on a Sunday and outside Westfield, hardly a soul was to be seen.

I'd love them to put highrises on top of Westfield to start with. That should shut the locals up
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Old January 22nd, 2009, 11:39 PM   #208
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it should be 30 storey towers around the train station, ie, near westfields. but i have no doubt they will balls-up the defence land redevelopment on the other side of the train station and bow to nimby pressure. i hope that one becomes a development of state significance so that the plans for penrith being a hub city are realised.
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The problem with Mulgoa Rd, is that it's roundabout after roundabout slowing the traffic down. Why do planners insist on roundabouts for major roads these days.
There's only 2 roundabouts on the whole road - one at Jamison Road and one at Glenmore Parkway. Both were built in the early 1990s, so hardly "today".

Mulgoa Road/Jamison Road will be signalised in the near future.

Also, it's not planners that decide intersection controls - that's up to traffic engineers. If anything, planners say to avoid roundabouts on major roads because they are awful for pedestrians and cyclists.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 12:05 PM   #210
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it should be 30 storey towers around the train station, ie, near westfields. but i have no doubt they will balls-up the defence land redevelopment on the other side of the train station and bow to nimby pressure. i hope that one becomes a development of state significance so that the plans for penrith being a hub city are realised.
Penrith under six cities policy should benefit when it comes to highrise, though it may not be on the scale of Parramatta and Liverpool.

15 storeys is OK to start with.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 11:14 AM   #211
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I can't believe that this complaint made the front page of the Penrith Press. As Mayor Jim Aitken correctly states, the community had been notified of the development for 2 years. If this dope cared about the issue enough he had plenty of notice and time in which to make his opinion known. Also, this particular site is situated next to Penrith Stadium, and thus iconic, suited to such a high quality $450m retail/residential development. Also the idea of the 16 storey hotel is excellent, even Campbelltown has a high-rise hotel (Holiday Inn I think). This site is merely a continuation of the recent burgeoning development which has entranced the area binding Regentville Road and this site/the stadium. Furthermore, if you take a look at the site at present, merely a mass of brown grass for most of the year with an adjoining decaying factory, you would agree that this is the perfect way to deliver Penrith the 'breath of life' that it needs.

On top of this, I think he is also not even aware of the plan underpinning the development of Penrith - the 6 cities plan (see my signature). This plan allows for buildings of over 100m (~30 stories) near the station (as LanceDriver suggested).

The reality is that high-rise buildings are becoming the norm in the CBD in the eyes of the government who seek to establish and cement Penrith's role as a major CBD of Sydney in order to reduce travel times and improve services and entertainment available to the many people that presently live and will soon live in Penrith as a result of the expected planned astronomical population growth to occur in the region. As evidence of this, I have a few APPROVED developments (which I haven't mentioned before) to exemplify this recent growth. The first is a $35m development on 614-632 High Street (the old Mitsubishi showroom) featuring two 8-storey buildings and two 6-storey buildings.

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http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/ma...per&key=202325

Another development which I find interesting is a proposed $21.5m 9-storey mixed use development with the demolition of an existing Service Station. It is particularly interesting because it isn't even in the Penrith CBD, it's on 186-190 Great Western Highway KINGSWOOD (near the station).

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http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/ma...per&key=219522

As this man from which the complaint emanated might see, if he wasn't so ignorant, the Penrith CBD is following a clearly defined path through which it will become a more adequate service centre for it's region. As for the infrastructure, such as road routes like Mulgoa Road, or bus services and other transport infrastructure, it must be equipped to deal with this planned expansion/densification which will be needed regardless of whether this particular development goes ahead (which it will anyway because Mayor Aitken has already approved it) since the way is UP!
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preaching to the converted...a post like that might be better utilised as a letter to the editor
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I guess some people still see Penrith as a country town, like that Randy Somethingarather.

But those days are long gone.
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preaching to the converted...a post like that might be better utilised as a letter to the editor
+1. Let them know that not all people in Penrith are backwards thinking, and do want it.
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Old January 27th, 2009, 04:54 AM   #215
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Even though sprawl is my enemy, and I was all for saving the ADI site from being developed as sprawl, I must say that the planned end result will probably be as good as sprawl can get, for sprawl types that is. (unless you have concerns about living on an ex-nuclear/toxic/bomb wastedump)

Delfin have updated their Ropes Crossing website with a neat set of flyover renderings. Now although most of Ropes Crossing is in Blacktown, Ropes Crossing is only one section of the ADI site, which mainly falls in Penrith, so I'm posting it here.

What I like about this development is that it does seem to try and integrate into it's natural surrounds as much as possible in that aswell as the 900 (or so) hectare legislated regional park that had to remain, there are loads of corridors and grounds that, in essence, expand the natural surrounds above the mandated regional park. Maybe the roos and emus will have some sort of chance, just maybe (if they don't become roadkill or dogfood first). Oh, if wasn't for people fighting to save the ADI site this would have been typical slash and burn glenmore park style sprawl.

Here's the flyover of the Ropes Crossing section -

http://www.ropescrossing.com.au/llwe...sf/flyover.htm
http://www.ropescrossing.com.au/llwe.../rc_masterplan

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It needs some PT priority
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the christie report has a nice line going through the area and out to castlereagh. what happened to that sensible report again?
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the christie report has a nice line going through the area and out to castlereagh. what happened to that sensible report again?
Prepard by "visionary" planners working for Railcorp...had Christie's name stamped on it to get some credibility/leverage with the powers that be...and duly ignored by said powers that be

One of the guys who wrote that report (and also did the Rowville Line Pre-Feasibility Study) was my Transport Planning lecturer at UNSW a few years ago.
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Is that old Ropes Creek Line corridor gone now?

That could of been good for at least some light rail, same style as the City.
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Is that old Ropes Creek Line corridor gone now?

That could of been good for at least some light rail, same style as the City.
It's still there, but it's all overgrown now... here's a pic I took at Dunheved last year (this was Dunheved Railway Station):

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