Edge Lane

[tomo90]

Ok. I was going through Edge Lane last week and thought it would be wider than what it is after all that work.

[Gazman]

Originally Posted by tomo90

Ok. I was going through Edge Lane last week and thought it would be wider than what it is after all that work.

I think all the Edge Lane works were designed to increase smooth traffic flow, mostly. Has it improved so far? I live very close, but as a non-driver it's hard to judge.

[Gazman]

Originally Posted by Chris B

From the Echo -



Article continues here - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...52-30969269/2/

It baffles me as to how this magnificent building remains unlisted.

[Chris J]

These are from 14 April, Grand National Day, maybe thats why it was quiet I hardly saw a soul as I wandered through Edge Hill to take pics of the new health centre and demolitions on Dorothy Street.

The thing that strikes me about this view is the huge area of grass on the left why did the right hand side of Toft Street have to be demolished, judging by the area left it could have stayed up like the left hand side.

Traveling out of Liverpool
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Traveling into Liverpool
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[tomo90]

Whats happening to the boarded up houses just off Edge Lane? You can see them sort of in the bottom picture. I was on the 7 and you turn left and see them.

[Gazman]

The positioning of that bus stop in the first photo is daft - whenever a bus stops there it will block traffic behind - so when its peak times and a bus stops, it becomes a one lane road until the bus moves again. An indent in the path would prevent that surely. Maybe they couldn't do that because they have plans for the area of grass to the left.

[Chris B]

Originally Posted by Chris J

The thing that strikes me about this view is the huge area of grass on the left why did the right hand side of Toft Street have to be demolished, judging by the area left it could have stayed up like the left hand side.

As Gazman notes, I'd be surprised if there aren't plans for that area of grass, no doubt facing Edge Lane. Had the other side of Toft Street been left, the backs of those houses would have faced Edge Lane. Better a side street have to look at the back of a development, than a major road have to look at the back of a side street. In the meantime, I think the grass makes a pleasant enough impression as you pass through that area.

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by Gazman

The positioning of that bus stop in the first photo is daft - whenever a bus stops there it will block traffic behind - so when its peak times and a bus stops, it becomes a one lane road until the bus moves again. An indent in the path would prevent that surely. Maybe they couldn't do that because they have plans for the area of grass to the left.

ISTR that was the idea, because people weren't letting buses out.

[GLCBanana]

Originally Posted by Chris B

As Gazman notes, I'd be surprised if there aren't plans for that area of grass, no doubt facing Edge Lane. Had the other side of Toft Street been left, the backs of those houses would have faced Edge Lane. Better a side street have to look at the back of a development, than a major road have to look at the back of a side street. In the meantime, I think the grass makes a pleasant enough impression as you pass through that area.

I think the thinking was that if the south side of Toft Street had remained in place, the plot left by the demolition of the houses along the north side of Edge Lane would have been too narrow for a viable scheme, once that phase of the Edge Lane West Masterplan is eventually developed. (Given that some of the depth of the original row of houses has been taken up by the widening of the road.)

Incidentally, if it wasn't for the existence of the listed St Cypriot's Church, the Victorian houses along the north side of Edge Lane could have been retained, with the ones on the south side being demolished instead to widen the road (the latter being architecturally less interesting and fewer in number than the former). A shame then that St Cypriot's is being left to rack and ruin anyway!

[GLCBanana]

Originally Posted by yoshef

ISTR that was the idea, because people weren't letting buses out.

There aren't that many buses along Edge Lane anyway - Prescot Road or Wavertree Road being prioritised for most of the east-west routes.

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by GLCBanana

There aren't that many buses along Edge Lane anyway - Prescot Road or Wavertree Road being prioritised for most of the east-west routes.

Here you go, more detail from Liverpool Confidential...

Exclusive: End of road for bus lay-bys?

Driving in parts of Liverpool just got slower, reports Larry Neild

Published on February 7th 2011.

IS it the end of the road for the bus lay-by in Liverpool?

Work has just finished on removing the double-length lay-by in busy Aigburth Road, close to Lark Lane. Less than a mile away a second lay-by is being removed at Aigburth Vale.

Now buses will stop in the main carriageway to board. This will end the problem of delays when they have to pull out of lay-bys, but mean that everybody else will have to wait behind or file into the outside lane.

The London scheme infuriated motoring organisations who claimed it would increase congestion, pollution and road rage as drivers sat in queues waiting for the buses to move off again
Motorists are bound to slam this strategy as highway robbery. But it is to make life easier and safer for hundreds of city bus drivers, Merseytravel told Liverpool Confidential – and, in some cases, to slow traffic down intentionally.
Steve Cook, of Merseytravel, told us: “During the 60s and 70s, the philosophy was to get buses off the main through-route of the carriageway when stopping, to avoid disturbing traffic flows and to allow passengers to board and alight away from the main stream of traffic. Hence the profusion of lay-bys built on new highways in this era, many on relatively low traffic-flow residential roads.

“However when traffic levels increased, they often became a problem for bus operation as buses often experienced difficulty getting back into the stream of traffic. (nobody would let them out, ed).

“Consequently where it has been safe and practical to do so, we have sought to remove them.”

Continues here...

[buggedboy]

Aye, it is about prioritising buses over the car. Keep bus journey times down, then people are more likely to use them.

[Gazman]

I thought it was just an oversight, but that is a good reason for it. Nice research Yoshef.

[superla]

Nice to see this still coming along http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liver...0252-32984996/

[Paul D]

£40m vision for new food market and production centre in Liverpool

PLANS for a huge new £40m wholesale food market and production centre in Liverpool have been unveiled.

Liverpool council wants to create a “food hub” off Edge Lane on a nine-acre plot where the city’s fruit, vegetable and flower market is already located.

The proposal has the potential to protect 350 jobs and create another 200.

It involves revamping the current market site and expanding it to become an economic powerhouse.

The meat and fish market, currently based in Prescot Road, would be moved to the new revamped market.

And baking products manufacturer Renshaw, which is based in Crown Street, in Toxteth, would also move to the new hub.

Cabinet member for regeneration Cllr Malcolm Kennedy said: “This is about providing a new fruit, vegetable, flower, meat and fish market and giving it a new direction. It has taken us three years to get to this point and I am very excited about it.

“There is still a lot of work to do, but I think the plans are great and I hope other people will soon.”

He said the current markets were past their best and in need of a revamp, and this project would provide them with a new home while creating expansion opportunities.

A planning application could be submitted in autumn with a potential start of building work next summer. The project would create 250 construction jobs.

The scheme is being developed by Regeneration Liverpool, a joint venture between regeneration specialist Sigma Inpartnership and Liverpool council which is intended to use council land to help generate profits to reinvest in other projects.

Renshaw employs 250 people at its site opposite the Liverpool Women’s Hospital, and would effectively be an anchor tenant in the scheme.

A report recommending the scheme to Liverpool council states: “The retention and growth of existing Liverpool- based business can be an effective and reliable source of job creation and the development of this sector can lead to inward investment from outside companies.”

The council’s cabinet has already signed off the idea and a masterplan is now being drawn up. Edge Lane itself is getting a major facelift in the form of a £200m injection into the revamp of its retail park.

Proposals to expand Edge Lane retail park by 40%, creating 600,000 sq ft of shops and 1,500 new jobs, were approved by the Government in March last year.

[McGrath]

Originally Posted by Paul D

£40m vision for new food market and production centre in Liverpool

PLANS for a huge new £40m wholesale food market and production centre in Liverpool have been unveiled.

Liverpool council wants to create a “food hub” off Edge Lane on a nine-acre plot where the city’s fruit, vegetable and flower market is already located.

The proposal has the potential to protect 350 jobs and create another 200.

It involves revamping the current market site and expanding it to become an economic powerhouse.

The meat and fish market, currently based in Prescot Road, would be moved to the new revamped market.

And baking products manufacturer Renshaw, which is based in Crown Street, in Toxteth, would also move to the new hub.

Cabinet member for regeneration Cllr Malcolm Kennedy said: “This is about providing a new fruit, vegetable, flower, meat and fish market and giving it a new direction. It has taken us three years to get to this point and I am very excited about it.

“There is still a lot of work to do, but I think the plans are great and I hope other people will soon.”

He said the current markets were past their best and in need of a revamp, and this project would provide them with a new home while creating expansion opportunities.

A planning application could be submitted in autumn with a potential start of building work next summer. The project would create 250 construction jobs.

The scheme is being developed by Regeneration Liverpool, a joint venture between regeneration specialist Sigma Inpartnership and Liverpool council which is intended to use council land to help generate profits to reinvest in other projects.

Renshaw employs 250 people at its site opposite the Liverpool Women’s Hospital, and would effectively be an anchor tenant in the scheme.

A report recommending the scheme to Liverpool council states: “The retention and growth of existing Liverpool- based business can be an effective and reliable source of job creation and the development of this sector can lead to inward investment from outside companies.”

The council’s cabinet has already signed off the idea and a masterplan is now being drawn up. Edge Lane itself is getting a major facelift in the form of a £200m injection into the revamp of its retail park.

Proposals to expand Edge Lane retail park by 40%, creating 600,000 sq ft of shops and 1,500 new jobs, were approved by the Government in March last year.

An interesting approach by the council. I hope a similarly imaginative scheme can be done for the Stanley abbatoir - that is a big site, too.

[Dreamer]

If Renshaws move that would allow for new housing on their old site and could inject some life into Parli and Crown Street

[Gutterfighter]

Or a decent site for a new school???

[sternslovchild]

Or more student hutches. Same as taskers on wavertree road.

[GLCBanana]

Originally Posted by Gutterfighter

Or a decent site for a new school???

Archbishop Blanch are in need of a site, they're currently not far away near the other end of Crown Street.