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I'm liking the promo material for Bradford's regeneration project. You know, the one with the storks holding sacks of cash in their beaks.
Room at the Top on Saturday, eh? "I am working-class. And proud of it!" Quote:
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Nice to see so many cities experiencing regeneration programmes
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The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
Hmmm, thought I'd put up a few pictures of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly of the new designs for Bradford City Centre (of course my own opinion but I think you'll find I'm right...).
The Good: The Gatehaus, Little Germany, Leeds Road ![]() Perhaps the best design I've seen that's actually under construction. www.thegatehaus.co.uk The Channel (Opposite Forster Square Retail Park) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Definitely one of the key developments for Bradford, the designs here are very interesting and actually surpass some of the designs in Leeds which have been getting a little formulaic. It should also provide a decent station approach into Forster Square Station, similar to the one found when entering Leeds Central Station. www.bradfordchannel.com Goitside Regeneration (Incorporating Thorton Road, West Gate and the area in between) ![]() ![]() ![]() I like these designs a lot, and the area of Thorton road is in dire need of some attention. The last design is particularly striking with an impressive roof feature and would do well to replace something like Highpoint, though I have seen other designs for this, less good I might add. www.acanthus.co.uk Broadway Shopping Centre ![]() Although did prefer this design: ![]() ![]() Not sure what this roof is about though with the beams and overhang, it makes it look like a shed, it'd be fine without. ![]() Not too bad, but I'd change that green colour to a more light blue turquoise. Having put this under good, there is however some other computer generated designs which look pretty awful and give the place the look of 60's buildings, sometimes even of the same view as the sketches: ![]() This is pretty horrible, grimly functional, reminds you of what was there before. ![]() I certainly hope this is not the result and that it turns out more similar to the sketch of this. Look at the buildings to the background to the left and right. Just look at them! 60's carbon copies written all over. www.benoy.com www.connectingthecity.co.uk The Bad: Odeon Site ![]() Awful, a cold and sterile building. ![]() As generic as can be, let's make Bradford look just like every other city! Plus what would be the point of the screen if they've already put one up in Centenary Square? ![]() And as for this one...Well it's the better of the 3, mainly because it retains the towers. But this has a rather silly use of colours, particularly the purple at the front, and what's with all the modernist windows? I thought we tried to escape that era in our history. I know it has a different and distinctive style (but as Mike Priestley put it would ''suffer from Millennium Dome-itis'' and I'd have to agree with him), the original Odeon was distinctive, impressive and imposing all rolled into one. It also would have made for a fantastic concert venue of 3,000 seats, I've been told that it has perfect acoustics and that St. Georges doesn't come close (also how are they going to develop St. Georges? there's no where to go). Even if the structure was unstable, they could've at least retained the frontage and built a new design feature like a glass roof that slopes down like an atrium and comes down at the back, integrating both new and old in the design. The council doesn't pay much attention to the views of local people, it professes to consult them and then promptly ignores them. It also screams ''Propaganda Machine''. http://www.kingsdr.demon.co.uk/cinemas/borg.htm The Ugly Asquith Residential Tower, Manchester Road ![]() ![]() ![]() Blurgghh, awful, so bad it hurts to look at it. And look, it comes ready boarded up, so when the bulldozers come in 30 years later, the builders'll be all set for demolition. How could anyone call this stylish? It's horrific and as close to the 60's as we've come, instead using glass a bit more this time. Seriously how could the same architects who came up with the Gatehaus come up with this? Either change the colour of the glass and get rid of that wood or don't build it at all. http://asquithproperties.com/manchester_road.asp And thus brings an end to my extensive list. Hope we can have some discussions on the designs. Oh yes and one last thing, I forgot to put: The Sad The Odeon or New Victoria, Princes Way ![]() RIP New Victoria. Last edited by Dan B; July 19th, 2006 at 03:15 PM. |
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Went over to Bradford yesterday for the first time since last year and the whoile of Broadway has vanished! The whole city centre seems to have improved tenfold overnight.
I wish the same could happen to the Leeds Shopping Plaza. |
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Mostly agree with your classification, apart from the Odeon proposals, I do admire the colourful variant with preserved towers, it's probably the best thing to happen to Bradford in a long time. Sure when it's built (fingers crossed they select this variant, I know that most of the residents support it, but will they be heard?) it will add a lot of charecter to the city. One thing which is not mentioned often, Broadway will only cost half of proposed Harewood/Eastgate quarter (350m vs 700m). If this will be reflected in size and quality, Bradford will join Leeds in terms of quality retail space, overnight. Well untill H/E is built, which is a long way yet. |
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I hope the city centre does change quickly! We could end up with 2 metropolises (metropoli'?) as part of one big megalopolis! With Bradford and Leeds as major hubs, it really could be a strong European competitor. Maybe they could put the siteless Kite Tower in Bradford- spark regeneration there!
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Yes, Bradford is improving and this will only benefit the wider region. Leeds is the key economic driver for the region but if Sheffield and Bradford could become bigger players than they currently are, the Yorkshire region would become even more competitve than it presently is. I would love to see West Yorkshire thriving with two metropolises which create knock on effects for smaller towns and cities within the region. Greater cooperation between local authorities will also drive the economic prospects of the region forward. |
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If ofcourse the council go ahead with there plans, I would prefer to see the Casa Mela, hopefully also in the plaza it creates, it could be used for music events like Millenium Square in Leeds. As for people supporting this one the most, this probably is true, however given the option for refurbishment it would be a different story. The majority who posted on some BBC boards here centainly thought so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/restor...n_cinema.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/conten..._feature.shtml As for the second part of your post, it is good to see that Bradford's shopping centre is getting the rough equivalent investment as Leeds. However this is only for the first stage of Broadway, I have seen outlined the second part, which would replace the post office, it makes it almost twice as big. This is a good sign, I just hope there are enough shops and not too many apartments and that the designs turn out more similar to the sketches and not the CG renders. ![]() This picture shows the extent of the Broadway development, stretching it seems, all the way to Forster Square Station. Channel area is also shown. Speaking of the channel, I've just heard some dissapointing news about it's development. It seems there are currently debates about it's height and density. It appears they've already had to cut down the height to 13 storeys rather than the 20 storeys shown in the renders (on my above post). I don't know why density and height are such an issue here. This is the perfect spot, just off from the city centre and not really intruding on anyone's view, furthermore actually giving them something to look at. Now Bradford seems to have cut its aspirations short (again). Read further here: http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...350m_plans.php Quote:
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Bradford does look an awful lot better with the old Broadway demolished. However isn't there a very small part of it still standing where HMV is (is it to be kept as a reminder of the awfulness of the previous redevelopment in the 1960s?). Also is the new Broadway to be all open air or will parts be enclosed is there ever any plans to demolish or at the very least reclad the abysmal Kirkgate (nee Arndale) centre and why are the majority of shops in Bradford City Centre closed on Sundays. Surely that would give an open goal to out of town developments and also what other major retailers are planning on opening at Broadway other than Debenhams?
An interesting point about Bradford is why there is an empty shop displaying signs for Dillons Booksellers even though that chain ceased to exist in 1999. Has this been empty for 7 years!? |
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Combined with the Chanel it would make a great entrance to the city. I guess to wish something to be done to the retail park there is a bit too much. |
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I just found a few more little pictures of the Channel and Broadway schemes from Robinson Architects who designed the Channel and are doing a few bits and bobs to Broadway. However not all the pictures and renders I see agree with one another, I guess we'll have to wait and see. ![]() A sketch of the Channel development ![]() A view of what the new Forster Square might look like, a lot like Millenium Square actually. I just found another article about Broadway from the T&A about incorporating asian influences into the design. I'm all for the inclusion of asian shops and the like, but I don't see why we can't have neutral architecture. The article also revealed construction would start in the second half of 2007! I'm sorry but I don't see why they have to delay it for that long. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...s_broadway.php |
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What I can't understand - and hope that won't hurt anyone's feeleings - is the proposal to include prayer facilities. In a shopping mall?
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As for other major retailers, I believe BHS and H Samuel are also opening stores. I assume BHS taking the other department store in the project. You can read more here: http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...work_start.php I'm sure I read somewhere that the Kirkgate Centre would be reclad, but have seen no designs. It's certainly preferable to demolision, seen as it's just gone through a refurbishment inside. I hope they get it right when they do and do it soon. As for the shops being closed on sunday, I'm really not sure, old religious ties? It certainly makes it hard to shop. Another thing should be the opening of shops longer than 5pm in the summer months. The shop you metioned being empty for so long, probably was just that. There are apparently quite a lot of unused buildings in the centre. This is beginning to see a reversal, but because Bradford still suffers from an image problem (Bradford Riots etc.) it is in a bit of a vicious circle; empty buildings, no investment, empty buildings get worse, investment declines. I'm hoping this is coming to an end though now, with new interest and pride in Bradford. |
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I was driving through Bradford at the weekend and noticed a few tower cranes up at the Leeds Road end of town. It was good to see. I worked in Bradford all through the '80s and before Leeds road was widened, would daily visit the Junction Pub at the bottom of Vicar Lane or eat at the Italian restaurant upstairs just by BHS. Bradford seemed quite vibrant then but lost its way in the '90s somehow. Glad the trend is starting to reverse and effort being spent to spruce the place up again.
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![]() The restoration of Eastbrook Hall and it's conversion into apartments. ![]() The Gatehaus, which will offer 142 apartments and cafe's and bars on the ground floor I think also. It's nice to see restoration work and designs sympathetic to the built environment (use of sandstone on Gatehaus) while offering up a modern twist (Fin-shaped glass tower). It's interesting that Bradford took a plunge in the 90's, I always thought things got a bit better after the 80's, but I suppose not in this case. I think with the riots of 2001 it hit a low, I spose a sort of boom and bust, that being the bust. I think it can only get better from now on, provided everything goes ahead. As for such things as italian restaurants, I believe there's a sort of underground one on Market street but can't figure out where exactly. This seems interesting as it gives the city a sort of European flavour, which the built environment offers quite well, it just needs to be utilised. I'm sure the Centenary Square development helped this no end. Talking of Centenary Square, does any one know what sort of design will come of the building to the back of it where a red crane currently stands? I've heard it'll be apartments (again), I just hope it has an inspired design in such a central location. |
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Middle East to sink millions into city
By Will Kilner Middle Eastern investors are being lined up to pour hundreds of millions of pounds into Bradford's regeneration, it was revealed today. Bosses of the Abu Dhabi firm bankrolling the proposed £90 million student village in Listerhills say their scheme is expected to open the floodgates to other overseas investment funds. A delegation of businessmen representing four Middle Eastern investment funds will visit the city next month to be briefed by Bradford Centre Regeneration (BCR) on its key future projects. Mohammed Ikhlaq, chief executive of Projenco Al Khaleej, the Abu Dhabi oil and gas consultants funding the Listerhills scheme, was in Bradford this week to see the five-hectare site for the first time. continued... The proposed mixed-use development, which has already been granted outline planning permission, would include student accommodation, shops, restaurants, work units and a hotel. Mr Ikhlaq said: "If this goes smoothly, the guys who are coming over as part of the delegation will be able to see an example of the exciting opportunities that exist in Bradford. "This is a great chance for a lot more Middle Eastern money to come into this area. "But this (Listerhills) is a flagship project which we have to get right." Mr Ikhlaq said delays caused by planning or land acquisition issues could prove off-putting to other overseas investors who have their eyes on Bradford. He said: "Traditionally, we have seen a lot of investment from the Middle East in London and the south, but this is the first time we have really diverted our attention to somewhere like Bradford. It's crucial to get it right." Mr Ikhlaq, who was educated at Cardiff University and now lives in Abu Dhabi, is on the board of three other investment companies. He said he was first attracted to Bradford by the regeneration model presented to him. He said: "The model of Liverpool and Leeds was offered and we were then told that Bradford was in a very opportune and advantageous position for investment, whereas it was too late for Leeds or Liverpool because it's already happened there." Mr Ikhlaq said Projenco Al Khaleej's investment in the Listerhills site could rise to more than £100 million if full planning permission is granted for everything proposed. And he said his company was already aware of three more major regeneration projects in the city. Mohammed Ishtiaq, director of International Energy Projects, the European investment wing of Projenco Al Khaleej, said he was working closely with BCR and Bradford Council to bring about some of the proposed regeneration projects. He said: "We will invest in the key projects which the city and the Council wants to see." Marc Cole, BCR's director of regeneration, said: "We are delighted that an investor from as far as Abu Dhabi has seen the potential in Bradford. Mr Ikhlaq's substantial investment in the Listerhills Urban Village will bring student accommodation, hotel, offices and leisure space and will significantly revitalise the area. "We recognise the importance of attracting investment from national and international sources. We continue to work with new investors to develop a desirable city in which to live, work and learn." Dave West, regeneration projects manager for Bradford Council, said he also expected the Listerhills project would act as a catalyst to the regeneration of the surrounding area. He said: "If the Listerhills site becomes a bridging link to help the university and the college link in with the city centre, it's doing a fantastic job." And Clive Wilson, director of estates for the University of Bradford, said: "The university is trying to remodel itself and if the area around can do likewise the whole learning village becomes more vibrant." |
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