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Old April 15th, 2007, 04:22 PM   #61
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they should ban "engschrift" from the signs.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 06:01 PM   #62
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long and short arrows, different font sizes, alignment and distances between the lines - all that even on the same sign, arrows not over the middle of the lanes, arrows sometimes under and sometimes beside the targets, different heights of the signs, ... just ugly!
I don't think that it is too bad...
And different font sizes? You mean Engschrift and Mittelschrift? Engschrift is used for longer names, Mittelschrift for shorter names of destinations.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #63
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About Bott Dots

Why use Bott Dots, is there an advantage of using them over paint...??? Is it because they last longer than paint. Is it cheaper to use bott dots than paint. In canada, we don't have any bott dots at all, but that's because we have to plow our streets in the winter. I saw the bott dots for the first time in Seattle 5 years ago...i thought it was strange when I first saw them.

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Old April 15th, 2007, 06:22 PM   #64
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I don't think that it is too bad...
And different font sizes? You mean Engschrift and Mittelschrift? Engschrift is used for longer names, Mittelschrift for shorter names of destinations.
Engschrift is harder to read than Mittelschrift. Breitschrift is also no so easy to read. I know this, because in the Netherlands, we have "redesign" which is harder to read for people with glasses etc.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 06:24 PM   #65
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I don't think that Breitschrift is common in Germany...
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Old April 15th, 2007, 06:34 PM   #66
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I don't think that Breitschrift is common in Germany...
No but is still seen in very old signs in the Ruhr area. Specially in Dortmund i thought.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:08 PM   #67
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Can you give an example of Engschrift, Breitschrift and Mittelschrift? I personally find German font harder to read from the distance than, for instance, American or French fonts. German font looks very standardised and sort of industrial though.
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Breitschrift; this sign is really old: (Essen is breitschrift)


the first 2 destinations: normalschrift, the bottom destination: Engschrift
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:33 PM   #69
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Can you give an example of Engschrift, Breitschrift and Mittelschrift?
This sign is completely written in Mittelschrift:



And here "Mönchengladbach" (>8 letters) is written in Engschrift:



(my photos)
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:40 PM   #70
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Just look at the arrows at the last 2 pics. grrrrr
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #71
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Just look at the arrows at the last 2 pics. grrrrr
Can you show me some different arrows? I drove through every part of Germany, but i never noticed any difference.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #72
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which arrows? The tilted arrows?
BTW - it's better when there is an arrow than there's no arrow like in some of your Frankfurt photos.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:52 PM   #73
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BTW - it's better when there is an arrow than there's no arrow like in some of your Frankfurt photos.
Than you shouldn't drive in the US. Some 12 lane Freeways do have overheads, but no arrows!
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Old April 15th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #74
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Especially the standing arrows (much too long). But also the tilted ones. Look at the last pic: 2 different types used without any reason. And in the pic above, the tilted arrow is beside the targets instead of being at the bottom of the sign.

Have you noticed the "500m" at the bottom of the signs? That's the reason why there aren't any arrows, coz its only a so called Vorwegweiser. Arrows are only over lanes.
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And in the pic above, the tilted arrow is beside the targets instead of being at the bottom of the sign.
but if it was on the bottom of the sign, the sign would be larger again and we'd have another 'problem'
Well, yeah, I see what your point is and you might be right, but I think there are other countries in Europe where signing is really worse (for example Spain).
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Now you've said it, there are some differences indeed. Funny, i never noticed it.



WTF never seen this before:




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Old April 15th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #77
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This one is very rare and must be very old (60s I guess):



This is the typical signage before an exit/junction - the size of the arrows depends on the size of the sign and the number of destinations:



And this one is just different because the type of the exit/junction is different.

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Old April 15th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #78
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The mixed arrow lengths on the above sign is about the only issue I have with German signage. It's generally so good that it's more of a nitpick- I don't think it's that much of a big deal but if I was designing that sign I would standardize all the arrow lengths.
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Old April 15th, 2007, 11:41 PM   #79
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This one is very rare and must be very old (60s I guess):

Late 70s or 80s! But it's been replaced by a new one since a few months. Looks nearly the same, but arrows are directed to the top now and there's an additional target: Weiterstadt (which is the next exit). Basel and Stuttgart should also be shown on this sign, don't ask me why they are missing.
Nearly all signs before exits/junctions in Hesse look like this (in difference to the rest of Germany, except some signs near Munich).

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but if it was on the bottom of the sign, the sign would be larger again and we'd have another 'problem'
Well, yeah, I see what your point is and you might be right, but I think there are other countries in Europe where signing is really worse (for example Spain).
No there's enough space at the bottom (at least if you use short arrows).
But you're right. There are worse signage systems. Especially Austria.
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