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Old December 11th, 2005, 10:19 PM   #381
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Old December 11th, 2005, 10:23 PM   #382
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As you can see enabeling work is due to begin next month.

It is not the fault of Renzo, or Sellar, or anyone working on the shard.

it took so long because of english heritage and the bastards that refuse to come out of southwark tower, the building on the current site.

Dont worry though, they HAVE GOT to get out this year.
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Old December 11th, 2005, 10:28 PM   #383
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@WJ or Gothicform, someone who might actually know whats going on.
Do you guys think enabeling will start next month?
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Old December 11th, 2005, 10:39 PM   #384
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Old December 11th, 2005, 10:49 PM   #385
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who cares when the enabling works start. the more obvious sign of progress would be the demolition of southwark tower.
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Old December 11th, 2005, 11:07 PM   #386
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To be honest, what worries me is the long time between proposal, approval and construction for some projects. Not only LBT, but also for Minerva, Heron, Leadenhall, North Quay and Heron Quays West. There are mutiple reasons for the long span between beginning and end, but is there a common reason why London doesn't have a rush to start construction?
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Old December 12th, 2005, 12:15 PM   #387
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but is there a common reason why London doesn't have a rush to start construction?
No tenants.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 01:06 PM   #388
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I thought this tower was allready under construction?!
I think you are confusing that with Broadgate Tower which is 160m and began last month.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 05:21 PM   #389
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Ok... Well the demolition of Southwark towers HAS to start in 2006. The lease runs out for the tennants so they have to go, which means their is nothing stopping them starting the demolition... Right?
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Old December 12th, 2005, 05:47 PM   #390
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Ok... Well the demolition of Southwark towers HAS to start in 2006. The lease runs out for the tennants so they have to go,
This hasn't been confirmed by PwC anywhere. As far as I'm aware they are adament they are going to stay.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 05:53 PM   #391
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They cant stay. That is illegal. it is a lease. The lease runs out in about 9 months. What are they gonna do claim squatters rights!?!
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Old December 12th, 2005, 06:23 PM   #392
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Who cares if enabling works starts or not? What does that even mean?

As i see it, 2006 will be the deciding year for LBT. If demolition does not start this year (probably a few months late), it will never be built.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 06:27 PM   #393
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IT HAS TO! THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING THEM ONCE PWC MOVES OUT!
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Old December 12th, 2005, 06:27 PM   #394
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No tenants.
What's the point of all proposals then? And can we expect a 'brighter' future?
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Old December 12th, 2005, 06:32 PM   #395
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IT HAS TO! THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING THEM ONCE PWC MOVES OUT!
if the lease expires in a few months, then of course they will have to leave. Dont listen to Darjole, he is a pessimist.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 06:38 PM   #396
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What's the point of all proposals then? And can we expect a 'brighter' future?
We started 5 100m+ towers in 12 months, one of which is a skyscraper.
Highrises are now selling apartmants faster than you can say Shard/London bridge, and demolition of southwark tower is DEFINATELY begining next year in preperation for building Londons pride and joy, so its looking brighter already.

This has been one of the best years for a while, believe it or not, and although i dont see anything major for 2006 (maybe another 250m+?) I think 2007 is gonna be THE year... Well the start anyway
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Old December 12th, 2005, 07:29 PM   #397
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if the lease expires in a few months, then of course they will have to leave. Dont listen to Darjole, he is a pessimist.
I am sick and ******* tired of being called a pessimist on this forum by people who obviously don't read any of my posts in which I have contributed my time and effort to show how optimistic I am about London's proposals and its current architectural wonders.

If this carries on I will seriously consider leaving this forum, and take my photography and (quite important to this forum) architectural contacts away with me. If it's how you feel that you can't take rumour or conjecture on an equal footing and instead feel the need to blast me down because it's not what you want to hear then so be it.

As I have said before, I am not overly optimistic London Bridge Tower will begin in 2006. OF COURSE I BLOODY WANT IT TO, but, in general terms from what I have heard having my ear to the ground and contacts in PwC, its prospects are faltering. PwC have not announced ANY type of 2006 move from Southark Towers, and seeing as the shareholders actually OWN the building, I doubt they're going to be rushing to the exit sign.

All this talk of 'well they'll be breaking the law' is nonsense. PwC are dripping with cash, and I mean, dripping- they can easily drag Sellar through the courts over the end of this 'lease' and not even worry about buying out his bloody business a hundred times over. From what I've heard which yes, is RUMOUR, is PwC are gearing up for a fight this summer over having to leave. I HOPE IT IS NOT TRUE, but I can't take this rumour lying down - this is afterall a forum which thrives on gossip and rumour in order to be ahead of the others. It's a shame that when it's something you don't want to hear you have to lamblast the originators as pessimists and depressives. Get a grip on yourselves for god's sake and take the rough with the smooth.
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So they actually own the building does this mean they have the right to stay Darjole?

They are stupid, even if they are wealthy. I mean, if they have so much money why dont they get a nicer headquarters instead of that shithole?

They could probably gain some respect around here if they agreed to move to, say, Riverside south, or Heron, or maybe even just find a temporary place and move in the shard when it is done? That is the best option for them

So, what are the chances of them dragging this out?

And anyway, maybe they could drag Sellar through the courts but let us not forget that the Shard has some very influencial names behind it (Ken and prescott)

i still dont get how they can stay there... I thought sellar owned the site... Can someone thoroughly explain this to me please?
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Oh, and Darjole your not really a pessimist you just have a more down-to-earth way of looking at things.
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Old December 12th, 2005, 09:05 PM   #400
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So? Who owns what?
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