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Old February 21st, 2008, 06:15 AM   #241
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They look different compared to the "tower blocks"
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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:11 AM   #242
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Paris HBM
Post WW2 public housing.





Those buildings are nice, cute in a Paris sort of way
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:05 PM   #243
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Sorry I made an error it is not post but pre WW2 buildings.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:14 PM   #244
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A great pano showing inner Paris.
you can see pre WW2 public buildings (red buildings) and post WW2 tower block

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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:09 PM   #245
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The famous Les Courtillères housing project in Pantin (in the largely low-income northeast inner suburbs of Paris):



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Zoomed-out more. Les Courtillères are approx. 1.6 miles from the center of La Villette in Paris city-proper.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:02 AM   #246
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The famous Les Courtillères housing project in Pantin (in the largely low-income northeast inner suburbs of Paris):
Famous or infamous?

Just curious, does urban design and architecture of one public housing contribute to the urban problems inside like crime or society?

As for French HDM housing, they are often shown alot in alot of hip-hop videos.

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:18 AM   #247
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You can see pretty well "Les courtillieres" at the beginning of this rap video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0tRP1NteuU
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 07:03 PM   #248
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Famous or infamous?

Just curious, does urban design and architecture of one public housing contribute to the urban problems inside like crime or society?
Infamous...you are right.

Yes, I do think the design and architecture can contribute to crime and society. In the case of Les Courtillères, which is very common in government housing projects all over the world, IMO, a sense of turf (territory) and self-government was created. Gangs were formed with hierarchical authority involving weapons and drugs. I think this was further fascilitated by the horrible enclave-like layout of Les Courtillères.

I wonder if the social problems of such housing development can be minimized by making them smaller and more dispersed throughout the urban fabric of an urbanized area. Wouldn't this reduce the ability to unite? Plus, I don't say it just to make them less strong, but it seems that a 10 y.o. child can benefit from seeing in his immediate surroundings better role models...other kids and adults outside of the ghetto life, which can encourage them to aspire to more in life. Also, what good does it do a teenager from the "hood" to be around others like him or her that can't really help him or her. Atleast being in a more mixed up immediate environment, a child or teen growing up in an immigrant family of very low-income and mingle and network with those who may be a potential good employer, guidance, etc, rather than a blind leading a blind. I say mixing it up is better! I say smaller housing projects well distributed are better!
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 12:31 AM   #249
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The housing projects that end with Gardens seem a lot better as oppossed to the ones with Houses b/c of the courtyards.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 03:39 AM   #250
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Old February 26th, 2008, 06:18 AM   #251
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Infamous...you are right.

Yes, I do think the design and architecture can contribute to crime and society. In the case of Les Courtillères, which is very common in government housing projects all over the world, IMO, a sense of turf (territory) and self-government was created. Gangs were formed with hierarchical authority involving weapons and drugs. I think this was further fascilitated by the horrible enclave-like layout of Les Courtillères.

I wonder if the social problems of such housing development can be minimized by making them smaller and more dispersed throughout the urban fabric of an urbanized area. Wouldn't this reduce the ability to unite? Plus, I don't say it just to make them less strong, but it seems that a 10 y.o. child can benefit from seeing in his immediate surroundings better role models...other kids and adults outside of the ghetto life, which can encourage them to aspire to more in life. Also, what good does it do a teenager from the "hood" to be around others like him or her that can't really help him or her. Atleast being in a more mixed up immediate environment, a child or teen growing up in an immigrant family of very low-income and mingle and network with those who may be a potential good employer, guidance, etc, rather than a blind leading a blind. I say mixing it up is better! I say smaller housing projects well distributed are better!
The layout of Les Courtillères is already terrible. In fact other public housing of such design lead to crime and end up being demolished.

But even the smaller public housing can still lead to social problems just like those of LA and SF. LA's public housing is less dense but they are still located in high-crime areas say South or East LA.

On the other hand, there are public housing that are located in very prime locations. One famous example would be the ones located in the Lower East Side of Manhattan. They are very close to the Financial District

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one of the biggest commieblock disricts in germany,neuperlach in SE munich ,with over 40,000 inhabitants.info(in german) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuperlach
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I'm curious about the Spanish and German commieblocks? Are the majority living there immigrants just like the ones in France or Sweden?
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And on what grounds can you objectively say this about France or Sweden?
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And on what grounds can you objectively say this about France or Sweden?
Read it in an article. Anyway, when I see it, "immigrant" isn't the best term but more of "minorities". Cause when we see it, most of those living in French HLM public housing are of north or west african descent especially those of Paris and Marseille.

Its the same with Sweden's "Million Programme" public housing scheme and to some extent, London's "council estates".

On the other hand, another tenants would be those from the rural areas who moved to the city to find better opportunities. This is more known with those of Italy or Scotland.
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If indeed the HLM have much more, percentage wise, minority residents, I think they hardly make a majority,
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i've read that alot of the spanish commieblock-residents are originally from southern spain (the poorer parts)
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Old February 28th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #259
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Melbourne has some big ones, that's for sure. I think I know which ones you're taling about Tubeman. There's a lot in Collingwood (and many other parts of inner Melbourne) that look like the slums of a former soviet nation.

I've only walked through Collingwood a few times actually, but everytime I do I'm suprised by how many junkies/hookers/homeless people there are. Johnston st has some magnificent buildings though.
I find the Melbourne housing commission flats you refer to remind me a lot of the old and extremely notorious Robert Taylor Homes projects on Chicago's South Side (now demolished). There were a few dozen of these blocks and they stretched for about 2miles.


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I read that Chatham Green was built as a housing project, though it doesn't look like any of the others that were built in NYC.

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