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Old June 14th, 2010, 12:59 PM   #501
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Went up from London to Sheffield last week for a tour of Urban Splash's staggeringly optimistic redevelopment of the vast Park Hill estate.

To my surprise, there are a couple blocks at the lowest rise end still inhabited, most are borded up, and the 13 storey block has been stripped and is under refurbishment.

The concrete frame is Gd II* listed by English Heritage, and Urban Splash's re-interpretation of the colour banding and "streets in the sky" is dubious to say the least. When and if the project actually gets finished it will provide approx 300 socially rented flats and 600 for private sale. The public flats will be dispersed randomly amongst the development and purchasers will not know whether they will get private or council neighbours. Whether that is egalitarian or naive I will leave to the readers' judgement.

This could work if it were in central London, but are there truly 600 folk in Sheffield who will want to live here and pay for the privilage? I can't see it. The development of Phases 2,3 and 4 will only proceed if Phase 1 sells - so what if it doesn't?

It has taken 4 years to get to the current stage, mainly owing to the thousand repairs needed to the spalled concrete. Each repair has had to be painstakingly done to match the colour and patination of the original to satisfy the anoraks at English Heritage. Projected completion is 2017. Originally, the entire estate too just 4 years from foundations to completion, commencing in 1957 and opening in 1961.

It is an amazing building, and has a quality that can only be appreciated when experienced in the flesh. Ideally, it would be saved but it has to be a very unrealistic prospect with the forthcoming economic austerity just around the corner.

Apologies for the picture quality - it was a very, very grey day, raining hard, with apalling light quality.

Blocks still inhabited:

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Old meets new:

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Pornography for lovers of urban decay One of the long abandoned pubs in the foreground - the white extension is a still operating nursery school.

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Wish this had have been open - I was in need

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and indeed, this

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Note how well kept the very pleasant central landscaped parts are. There was a Sheffield Estates team right in the middle, all manicuring the lawn and shrubs surrounded by the dereliction. Surreal! I guess they're making an effort to keep some semblence of normality whist folk still live in part of the complex.

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VOTE LABOUR!! (bit late now!)

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Famous "street in the sky" - unrefurbished block. They used to drive milk floats along here

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Bridges linking the old to the renewed - see how close it is to Sheffield City Centre.

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This is where Urban Splash have been experimenting to match the original concrete - note new ballustrade, as the originals were beyond repair. They spent a long time trying to mimic the yellow/brown colour only to find when it was pressure cleaned that the original was in fact grey, so had to start again.

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The re-bar is too near the surface of the concrete, and consequent spalling is bad

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The block under refurb. This is the tallest block - the development is built on a steep hill but with a consistant roof line achieved by building deeper to match the terrain. Very clever. 13 storeys here at the bottom - a mere 4 storeys at the top.

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Urban Splash's interpretation of the original "colour banding" replacing brick curtain walling with aluminium panels. They are also extending the flats into the access decks to increase storage, and consquently narrowing the width of the streets in the sky. No room for milk floats now!

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Retail units in here (theoretically)

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The old from the new. Graffitti says "you couldn't make it up".

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Old June 14th, 2010, 05:40 PM   #502
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Incredible update!!! Thank you so much, as I remember seeing renderings when this was announced years ago, and now, here it is.

It looks a MASSIVE undertaking... is it government sponsored? Will it be low-cost housing? I just don't see the incentive for the developer to take on such a large project, other than the kudos and awards they are to receive for it.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #503
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Linkeroever, Antwerp, Belgium:
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The building with the special roof is the palace of justice, behind that you can see Linkeroever.



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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #504
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Incredible update!!! Thank you so much, as I remember seeing renderings when this was announced years ago, and now, here it is.

It looks a MASSIVE undertaking... is it government sponsored? Will it be low-cost housing? I just don't see the incentive for the developer to take on such a large project, other than the kudos and awards they are to receive for it.
Thanks!

It is not government sponsored.

There is some public money via English Heritage and English Partnerships (about 10M I believe), but Urban Splash have commited 120M.

The trouble is - Urban Splash do not have 120M. They do not have 1.2M! Established in 93, they thrive on regnerating abandoned industrial environments. They virtually invented "sell off plan", and have never been "cash rich". I genuinely believe they took on Park Hill as they get excited by such projects, but they thought they could sqeeze enough cash out of English Heritage to get the first phase ready to show, and then sell the rest off plan. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

300 of the 900 flats will be subsidised/"affordable" rent - though whether it is by Sheffield Council, a Housing Corporation or Urban Splash themselves is not clear. Urban Splash have found themselves as landlords in other developments where they didn't manage to sell all the flats, and had to rent some out.

In September, I'm staying at the Midland Hotel in Morecambe - an art deco jewel that was derelict......and redeveloped a couple of years ago by Urban Splash (who have since sold it to a hotel chain).

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Old August 18th, 2010, 10:40 PM   #505
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This is a snippet from a rather large estate in West Hendon, London. The photo doesn't show the magnitude of the blocks but it does show the ugliness.


Dollis Valley Estate, Barnet. London. (It used to be known as Alcatraz among residents)


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Old October 13th, 2010, 11:16 PM   #506
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Regent Park is one of the largest redevelopments of government housing in North America.


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Old October 14th, 2010, 02:15 AM   #507
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 06:42 AM   #508
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I lived in the Florida Housing Projects (PJs) in New Orleans 9th ward from 1956 to 1960. The Florida PJs and the Desire PJs were adjacent to one another. They were separated by Florida Blvd. Low income whites lived in the Florida PJs while low income blacks lived in the Desire PJs. I started 1st grade at William Frantz Elementary in Sept. 1960. On Nov. 14, 1960, the day before my 6th birthday, 4 US Marshalls escorted 6 year old Ruby Bridges, one of the first blacks to attend a white NO public school, through a crowd of protesters. I was there on the day that it happened.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #509
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Public Housing in Dublin, Ireland.

Upper Digges St.

Digges Estate

Charlville Mall

Gloucester Estate

Railway St.

Dolphin's Barn - This estate is absolutely huge and there are hundreds of these blocks crammed into the area.

Ballymun (some blocks 16 storeys tall) - These flats are the most well known and the area has a bit of a 'reputation'. However, that is probably just generalising.

Fitzgerald Park/Mounttown - I grew up around this area myself and the flats have all since been demolished.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 08:44 PM   #510
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Urban Splash's interpretation of the original "colour banding" replacing brick curtain walling with aluminium panels. They are also extending the flats into the access decks to increase storage, and consquently narrowing the width of the streets in the sky. No room for milk floats now!

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They look nice now! I've always been interested in the architecture of the flats in Parkhill and I think it's great that they decided to do them up instead of just tearing them down. That's the problem in Ireland though these days, instead of renovating, we just tear down ugly buildings. Why spend so much more money rebuilding when you can refurbish?
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Old February 19th, 2011, 07:31 AM   #511
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Canada's biggest and oldest government housing development is quickly being revitalized, so I made a video to keep track of this quickly changing neighbourhood. Some of the newer buildings are quite nice. Take a look.

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Old February 19th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #512
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In Brazil. Its social houses to poor people that live in favelas.

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Sydney's public housing, usually just called "housing commission". Somebody that lives in public housing is referred to as a "houso". It is a negative term, similar to "bogan".

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Northcott Estate, site of a 1990 massacre in which 5 people were shot dead. Taken by SSC member Fabian.

Poets Corner. Taken by SSC member Fabian.

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Old March 16th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #515
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lol serious i could easily live in the "public housing" in toronto over where i live in miami easily.
I don't think so pal. Regent Park and Moss Park buildings are infested with cockroaches, the buildings infratstructure is often malfunctioning, i.e; elevators, lights. Many of the tenants themselves are drug addicts or drug dealers and the buildings are usually poorly maintained, not to mention some bachelor units in there are 425 sq ft. People are so quick to dismiss the problems in Toronto because the exterior design of some our housing projects are more pleasing to the eye than others? That means nothing to the people living there. IIRC, in 2010, there were 7 homicides in Regent Park and 2 in Moss Park, a clear indication of social problems.
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Oh gosh you people from Toronto really do need to go out more often. An apartment in those so called public housing in Toronto would fetch hundreds of thousands of dollars in some other city
Hmmm, I would also say the same for many New York City housing blocks. I have spent great time in New York and housing blocks there are such a part of the scenery that you don't even notice you are there. I would live in NYC housing over many Toronto housing areas.
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Old March 16th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #517
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St. Jamestown, in Toronto, is not government housing. It's regular rental buildings, although they are one of the cheapest apartment complexes in downtown. It costs around 800 dollars cdn. a month, for a 1 bedroom apartment, (which is pretty cheap in Toronto) but they are owned by private companies. The better maintained buildings go for around 1000 dollars a month. (one bedroom) I have friends who live there and they are quite content.
Out of the 19 buildings in the St. Jamestown area, I believe 6 of them belong to TCHC. 4 along Bleecker Street, 2 along Ontario Street.
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Wow, Paris has the most beautiful and the ugliest housing projects that I have ever seen.

The latter looks like a more giant version of a housing project in Chicago.



I don't live in Chicago obviously, but I have heard that they are destroying their projects left and right, I wonder if these are still around? Does anyone know...?
IIRC they gutted them and have transformed them into condominium buildings.
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When you want to tear down/redevelop a rundown public housing estate, mixed-income is the way to go.
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Old June 12th, 2011, 08:13 PM   #520
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IIRC they gutted them and have transformed them into condominium buildings.
Nearly all of the public housing high-rise buildings in Chicago have been demolished.

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