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Old November 9th, 2005, 10:08 AM   #121
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Shots of Singapore's first public housing, now a heritage area:
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Old November 9th, 2005, 10:14 AM   #122
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the 2nd pic is awesome!
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Old November 9th, 2005, 11:29 AM   #123
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The new HKHA and HDB flats are not really low cost or even similar to public housing in other places. Their standards are already way higher. An architect from Singapore told me the HDB actually does not consider themselves in the housing business per se but in already in "upllifting" it's already high standards. I think HKHA is really in the same boat too.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 11:30 AM   #124
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The 2nd pic is the one of the best looking HDB estates. Actually some of the older HDB estates like the ones built during the 1970s or 1980s resembled that of Hong Kong.

More Paris housing estates

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Old November 9th, 2005, 11:51 AM   #125
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Banlieues around Paris

Vitry Sur Seine



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LE PALAIS / CRETEIL (arguebly the best looking public estate if not The Lai Tak Tsuen in Hong Kong)





JACQUES CARTIER / CHOISY-LE-ROI



MICOLON / ALFORTVILLE

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Old November 9th, 2005, 12:13 PM   #126
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WANCH:

Thanks, but not really.
Estates built pre 1960s are quite nice, in Art Deco, Bauhaus and Modern styles.

But come the late 1960s to early 1980s, the apartments were all of the boring and similiar functionalism style. Built in a rush to clear up rural villages and slums. Making entire towns very boring and homogenous.

Towns built post 1995 are the best, with public apartments looking like condos, minus the 'exclusive facilities'.
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Old November 9th, 2005, 12:53 PM   #127
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An interesting one in France

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Old November 9th, 2005, 02:44 PM   #128
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1970s public housing estate:


Toa Payoh town, new 30 and 40 storey towers:


Toa Payoh, 1960s blocks, recently repainted:
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Old November 9th, 2005, 05:34 PM   #129
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Notice the difference in urban development patterns. In Europe, the poor live in the suburbs. In North America, the rich live in the suburbs.

Here is an update on Toronto's infamous Regent Park, a crime-filled public housing estate awaiting redevelopment in the heart of downtown.

Developer quits Regent Park project
Cresford won't give details for leaving first phase Miller concerned, but housing agency undaunted

Vanessa Lu
Toronto Star
9 November 2005

The ambitious 12-year plan to redevelop Regent Park has already hit a snag as the winning developer for the first phase walked away from the deal.

Toronto Community Housing Corp., which manages the city's public housing units, selected Cresford Developments Corp. in September to build the first phase along the southwest corner of Regent Park.

The first phase of the $1 billion redevelopment is spread out over four blocks in the area of Parliament, Oak, Sackville and Dundas Sts. It includes townhouses, apartments and condos - both at subsidized rent and for sale at market rates - as well as a grocery store.

"Cresford decided they did not want to pursue it with us," Derek Ballantyne, president and CEO of Toronto Community Housing Corp., said yesterday. "We're not privy to all of their thinking. We don't know the details of their concerns."

Formal approval of the deal hinged on a detailed financial scrutiny of the proposal.

Cresford declined to comment, referring calls to Toronto Community Housing Corp.

"We're disappointed," said Ballantyne. "It's probably delayed us by a couple of months. One never likes to see that in any project."

He argued, though, that for a project of this size and scale, it won't have much of an impact.

Mayor David Miller said the deal's collapse is worrisome. "We must get this right," he said, adding that Regent Park is a pilot project and future revitalization of other social housing projects depend on its success.

More people live in Toronto public housing units than the whole population of Prince Edward Island, he said.

But Councillor Pam McConnell (Ward 28, Toronto Centre-Rosedale) called it "a minor bump in the road."

"I think the development industry is very interested in the opportunities of developing Regent Park. We'll have lots of others at the door," she said.

Four other proponents bid on the phase one project, and the public housing agency will go back and try to negotiate a deal with one of them. The other bidders are Concert Properties, the Daniels Group, Menkes Developments, and Tridel.

Regent Park was built 50 years ago with the hope of creating a park-like setting. But the neighbourhood is cut off from the surrounding city because there are no through streets, or shops or businesses to draw people to the area. The lack of public streets created areas where crime can flourish.

The plan calls for a mixed-income community that includes streets as well as a grocery and community centre. In addition to the rental units, 2,800 homes and condos will be for sale.

Half the $1 billion price tag is expected to come from private sector developers, and the rest from rental income, loans and government funding.

As part of the first phase of the redevelopment, 385 families have been moved out of their homes into other public housing units.

The remaining 30 households will be moving in the coming weeks.

Demolition is scheduled to begin next month, and construction in late spring or summer.

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Old November 10th, 2005, 02:47 AM   #130
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These are pretty cool:

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Old November 10th, 2005, 06:15 AM   #131
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How they call their public housing

United States: Housing Projects, Projects, PJs
Great Britain: Housing Estates, Council Estates
France: Banlieues, Cites
Japan: Danchis
Singapore: HDB Flats
Hong Kong: Housing Estates
Manila: Tenements, Bliss
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Old November 10th, 2005, 06:20 AM   #132
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But sometimes, the conditions living there is better compared to Hong Kong's housing estates during the 1980s

More Clichy
The people who live there can't be that poor... almost every last one of 'em has a satellite dish...
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Not poor but are less fortunate compared to others in France. But I think the conditions in French banlieues are better off than The United States. I still think housing projects in New York and Chicago are much worst than these!
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Old November 10th, 2005, 07:07 AM   #134
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Lets take a trip to The Rising Sun

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Wanch:

How are the living conditions inside them?
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Which ones?

The one in Tokyo is similar to a middle class flat except the space is much smaller. But Tokyo's danchis are less dangerous compared to the ones in Europe or The United States.

The ones in Hong Kong are similar to Singapore except Singapore's HDB flats are cleaner and have more green.

The ones in Paris? I don't know!
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Old November 10th, 2005, 12:53 PM   #137
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I mean those in Tokyo or other big Japanese cities.
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Old November 10th, 2005, 02:57 PM   #138
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The people who live there can't be that poor... almost every last one of 'em has a satellite dish...
They are "that" poor. They all have satellite dishes because most of them want to watch TV channels from their home countries in Africa. But believe me, you better don´t try to walk through some of these buildings...
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Old November 10th, 2005, 04:02 PM   #139
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Here are some pics of housing projects (aka 'Cités' or 'Grands Ensembles' in France) during their construction, or just after, in the main cities of Brittany, western France.
The pics are mostly from the late 1960's and the early 1970's.
All the pics are from this website :http://www.archives.rennes.fr/fonds/...ie=255Fi&idaa=

A cité's construction site (Malakoff) in Nantes, 1966 :


The complete cité of Malakoff, in Nantes, four years later :


First building of an other cité (Bellevue) in Nantes, is built :


The cité of Bellevue in construction, in Nantes :


Some years laters, the complete cité of Bellevue in Nantes :


Another Nantes' cité (les Dervalličres), 1965 :


Cité of Le Colombier, in Rennes :


Cité of Villejean, in Rennes, 1969 :


'ZUP Sud', in Rennes, 1969 :


A cité in Rennes, 1967 :


A cité in Rennes, 1967 :


A cité in Vannes, 1969 :


A cité in Lorient :


A cité in Lorient, 1965 :

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Old November 10th, 2005, 08:41 PM   #140
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Notice the difference in urban development patterns. In Europe, the poor live in the suburbs. In North America, the rich live in the suburbs.
in the uk the poor definitely do not live in suburbs! by far the poorest, most densely populated, and most crime ridden neighbourhoods are all inner city areas in big industrial cities, just like in north america. although many large suburban areas are quite poor as well.
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