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Old August 20th, 2005, 12:31 AM   #1
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Where does the midwest Begin and End

I'm just curious because there seems to be alot of confusion on where the midwest begins and ends. I was always taught that every state completely above the mason dixon line or even the Ohio river was part of the Midwest.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:16 AM   #2
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It's wierd that some people consider Kentucky the Midwest, considering the totally different lifestyles of Kentucky and that region. Also considering it is a state completly below the mason dixon line I say it's southern and even southern Indiana has more southern traits than midwestern.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:44 AM   #3
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Yes...but....

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It's wierd that some people consider Kentucky the Midwest, considering the totally different lifestyles of Kentucky and that region. Also considering it is a state completly below the mason dixon line I say it's southern and even southern Indiana has more southern traits than midwestern.
You are speaking in cultural terms in where people identify their own traits and lifestyles according to their region. Usually southern areas of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois along the Ohio River feels more apt to be part of the southern dominate culture. Northwestern portion of Ohio reflect closely with the more "midwestern" culture toward Chicago whereas Northeastern with Cleveland, Akron, Canton--they are more culturally adapted with North Atlantic region.

So if you are referring to the Midwest in geographical aspect based on governmental boundaries--it would include from Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:45 AM   #4
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I don't even think that Ohio is really the Midwest I think it's more northeastern
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:49 AM   #5
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I think Every area on the Ohio river has a southern vibe to it, But the south starts in Kentucky Geography wise
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:50 AM   #6
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I think Every area on the Ohio river has a southern vibe to it, But the south starts in Kentucky Geography wise
Correct.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:53 AM   #7
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My definition of "Midwest" is highly unique, highly personalized, and truthfully few would agree with me. It is the footprint of the Big Ten states (before Penn State joined the conference).

THAT WOULD BE: OHIO, MICHIGAN, INDIANA, ILLINOIS, WISCONSIN, IOWA, AND MINNESOTA

How do I come to this definition:

• to a certain degree, I associate Midwest with Great Lakes (which takes care of every state in the group save for Iowa)

• I eliminate the Great Plains states (from North Dakota to Oklahoma) which is a vastly different region. Percipitation in those states is far less than the midwestern states, agriculture generally more important, large cities few and far between, politics far more conservative, diversity scant.

• the old Northwest Oridance that set the model for growth and devleopment in OH, IN, MI, IL, WI, and part of MN, instituting a free state status created enormous cultural differences with places that became slave states. Thus, I find it hard to include Kentucky and Missouri in the category midwest (while I must admit most people would include Missouri as part of the region)

• the tier of states from Minnesota to Louisiana, includes two former "free states", Minnnesota and Iowa. Climatically Minnesota and Iowa are similiar with the other Midwestern states across the Mississippi. Iowa is the least urbanized state in the group, but still has the thrieving city of Des Moines along with a strong attachment to Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Illinois. I definitely think the pull in Iowa is eastward, not westward.

so others may disagree, but I still go with:
Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:58 AM   #8
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I do kinda think that parts of Missouri represent the south. I think it is hard to classify Kentucky with the midwest "DERBY" I think that's a down south thang.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:13 AM   #9
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Is west Virginia the midwest or south?
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And the answer is....

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Is west Virginia the midwest or south?
Depends on who's saying what--usually National Geographic considers West Virginia as Mid-Atlantic region and other independent sources says they are part of the south. I would go with Mid-Atlantic.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:18 AM   #11
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west Virginia is stuck between NE/South/and Midwest...

Sometimes I think Buffalo(NY) and Pittsburg(PA)are more Midwestern than Fargo(ND) or Cairo(IL)
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Oh please, Missouri is the quintessential Midwest state and always has been.



And edsg-- as for politics, there is a city in Missouri that ranks with Chicago as the two bluest cities in the Midwest, but why open a can of worms.
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But culturally aren't they considered southerned?
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^huh? no. Missourians are Midwesterners. I think you're confusing MO with Kentucky.
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LOL poor Missouri has some interesting neighbors
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:24 AM   #16
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Jivecitystl I was talking about West Virginia and I know KY the DIRTYSOUTH
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Whoa.

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Jivecitystl I was talking about West Virginia and I know KY the DIRTYSOUTH
Oh my....let's hope the folks from the U.S. Southeast forum didn't read this. They are by far the most active forum on this website.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:28 AM   #18
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I think the very southern half of Missouri , the Ohio Valley "Louisville" , and of course the Missippi River Valley all have a southern vibe.
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Oh my....let's hope the folks from the U.S. Southeast forum didn't read this. They are by far the most active forum on this website.
but... louisville playa is from the southeast...

Why did Kentucky used to be consider Midwest before(was it because Kentucky was a free state)
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but... louisville playa is from the southeast...

Why did Kentucky used to be consider Midwest before(was it because Kentucky was a free state)
Never in my education through high school and college have I read or heard that Kentucky used to be considered as part of the Midwest. Kentucky was always known being part of the south which goes back even before the Civil War.
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