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Old August 20th, 2005, 09:29 AM   #1
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MISC | Subway sections with the longest underground distance

Most of the world's longest metros have significant portions of their system located at grade or elevated above ground, and some are predominantly above ground except in the city centre. By mearuring just the sections that are underground, which cities have the greatest number of underground route kms?

It would also be interesting to find out what cities have the greatest number of elevated route kms and combined elevated/underground route kms.

Here would be my (un)educated guess:

1. London
2. Tokyo
3. Moscow
4. New York
5. Paris
6. Seoul
7. Mexico City
8. Madrid
9. Hong Kong
10. Berlin

I'm really not sure though.

P.S. Maps and source links are welcome.

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Old August 20th, 2005, 12:24 PM   #2
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Singapore's Small Heavy Rail & People Mover Systems

- 32 Stations Underground
- 43.3 Kilometres Underground

- 77 Stations Elevated
- 91.1 Kilometres Elevated

http://www.smrt.com.sg/smrt/index_travel_time.htm

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Old August 20th, 2005, 12:27 PM   #3
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I thought you asked for the metro system with the longest underground distance between two stations...(And actually, I don't have the answer on that one...)
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Old August 20th, 2005, 01:50 PM   #4
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Just to be clearer, I'm refeing to the total underground route kms in a city rather than consecutive.
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:03 PM   #5
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Moscow has the longest underground route length.

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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:33 PM   #6
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madrid metro will be higher that 7th position
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Old August 20th, 2005, 02:38 PM   #7
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from madrid i can't find links, but as far i know all the metro is underground.


so the underground extension of madrid metro is 232 km
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:07 PM   #8
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madrid metro will be higher that 7th position
Great, feel free to rearrange the list as you contribute new information .
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Old August 20th, 2005, 03:16 PM   #9
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NYC: 137 route miles/220.5 route km (144.4 miles/232.4 km including PATH)
London: 113 route miles/181 route km

http://www.nycsubway.org/faq/factsfigures.html
http://www.nycsubway.org/nyc/path/
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tube/company/facts.asp
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Old August 20th, 2005, 11:19 PM   #10
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from madrid i can't find links, but as far i know all the metro is underground.


so the underground extension of madrid metro is 232 km
Nowadays, Madrid Metro is 226.78 km long, but not all is underground!!

Barcelona Metro is 106.40 km long, 105 km are underground.
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Old August 21st, 2005, 07:58 AM   #11
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Hong Kong MTR

The MTR operates 90.9 km total route length, which includes over 120.2 km of tunnels (some route sections have several tunnels). 33 out of the 52 stations are underground stations with depths varying from 12 to 37 metres below the street level. The design of these underground stations ranges from simple box structures with concourse and platforms on 2 to 3 levels, to complex layouts with platforms in bored tunnels and off-street concourse structures housing basements up to 7 floors below the street level for station concourse ticketing facilities, control rooms and plant rooms, and providing the foundation for its buildings above.
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Old August 21st, 2005, 10:41 AM   #12
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Hmm, Let's start adding these distances to the list.

Moscow: 257.9 km (approx.)
New York : 232.4 km (mad_nick)
London: 181 km (mad_nick)
Hong Kong: 120.2 km (hkskyline)
Barcelona 105 km (bitxofo)
Singapore: 43.3 km (ignoramus)
Seoul ?
Paris: ?
Tokyo: ? .
Mexico City: ?
Madrid: ?

For the Moscow, I took the total length as quoted by UrbanRail.Net and subtracted the approximate distances of the sections they said are above ground. They didn't give the above ground lengths, but they said seven stations are above ground, and that the average distance between stations is 1.8km, so I subtracted seven station lenghts (six between stations & 1/2 on either side).Not prescise, but the best I could find. Also, there are 4 lines that cross rivers on a bridge. I could't find official widths for the rivers, but they didn't look very wide in pictures, so I subtracted 1/4 km for each.

The site also has a links for a Moscow underground photo gallerys including this one by Igor Vanin (narrated in Russian)

Great work, keep'em coming. (and don't forget sources)
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Old August 21st, 2005, 04:05 PM   #13
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Hmm, Let's start adding these distances to the list.

Moscow: 257.9 km (approx.)
New York : 232.4 km (mad_nick)
London: 181 km (mad_nick)
Hong Kong: 120.2 km (hkskyline)
Barcelona 105 km (bitxofo)
Singapore: 43.3 km (ignoramus)
Seoul ?
Paris: ?
Tokyo: ? .
Mexico City: ?
Madrid: ?

For the Moscow, I took the total length as quoted by UrbanRail.Net and subtracted the approximate distances of the sections they said are above ground. They didn't give the above ground lengths, but they said seven stations are above ground, and that the average distance between stations is 1.8km, so I subtracted seven station lenghts (six between stations & 1/2 on either side).Not prescise, but the best I could find. Also, there are 4 lines that cross rivers on a bridge. I could't find official widths for the rivers, but they didn't look very wide in pictures, so I subtracted 1/4 km for each.

The site also has a links for a Moscow underground photo gallerys including this one by Igor Vanin (narrated in Russian)

Great work, keep'em coming. (and don't forget sources)
Hmm if you are talking about total length of underground tunnels (including excess tunnels and service tunnels) or just the length of a city's metro line that is underground?
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Old August 21st, 2005, 05:11 PM   #14
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^ From the original post: "which cities have the greatest number of underground route kms?"
So I assume it's route length underground, and that's what I posted for NY and London.
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Old August 21st, 2005, 09:19 PM   #15
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Berlin has 116.3 km underground of its 146 km.
Munich: 77.4 km of 85.6 km.

Data from urbanrail.net

EDIT: Unfortunately I cannot find the lengths of underground sections of Paris, Tokyo and Seoul on urbanrail.net.

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Old August 21st, 2005, 11:37 PM   #16
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Tokyo : 292.2km






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Tokyo : 292.2km
That's the total length but how much of that is under the ground?
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Old August 22nd, 2005, 12:54 AM   #18
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Nowadays, Madrid Metro is 226.78 km long, but not all is underground!!

Barcelona Metro is 106.40 km long, 105 km are underground.

the only part i know that was above the ground level is line 10 in the part of batán and Casa de Campo stations, but now it's underground. at least i have seen pictures of the new stations underground
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Old August 22nd, 2005, 12:27 PM   #19
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the only part i know that was above the ground level is line 10 in the part of batán and Casa de Campo stations, but now it's underground. at least i have seen pictures of the new stations underground
I was talking about line 9b to Puerta de Arganda...
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I thought Tokyo would be longer than 292km....
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