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Old January 5th, 2007, 03:57 PM   #181
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Amsterdam! It has the largest, almost intact, historic centre in the world
I don't think that it's true..I Know that the largest historic centre of the world it's Napoli, that is also included in the World Heritage's list of the Unesco with this motivation:"It is one of the most ancient cities in
Europe, whose contemporary urban fabric preserves the
elements of its long and eventful history. Its setting on
the Bay of Naples gives it an outstanding universal value
which has had a profound influence in many parts of Europe
and beyond".
Infact if you see the city with google earth you can see all the infuences of the dominations that the city has had during its story(Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Normans, Angevins, Aragonese, Spaniards, Austrians, Bourbons, revolutionary French and finally the Piedmonteses).

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Naples's structure of historic centre. Below on the left spanish quarters. In the upper central part of the foto the old greek structures, and in the centre the Corso Umberto created after the five epidemies of colera in XIX century, and below, near the harbour, the "city" created during the Fascist's era.


The structure of the historic centre It's still that one of the ancient greek polis with its AgorÓ and the Archeion, there are also the Spanish quarters with its grid of streets. In Naples there is one of the most ancient University of the world, the first statal, founded by Federico II "Stupor mundi".
And what about Neapolitan music? By the 1700s, Naples was nicknamed the "conservatory of Europe" and was home and workshop to composers such as Alessandro Scarlatti, Pergolesi, Niccol˛ Piccinni, Domenico Cimarosa, Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti, etc. Some of the most known songs of the world are written in neapolitan language: 'O sole mio, Torna a Surriento, Funiculý funiculÓ. The dialect spoken it's a mixture of Italian, Greek, Spanish and Arabic. It was also the first big city in Europe that uprised against Nazi-fascism (september 28th 1943).

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Naples Panorama with Castel dell'Ovo and the Vesuvio.


I think that Napoli it's certainly one of the most important city in every historical era (Founded by greek, it was the residence for the holydays of the roman's emperor, for the many conquerors it had, it was the most populated city in Italy until the XIX century, and now..it's the Cannavaro's birth city..:-) ).
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Old January 6th, 2007, 05:03 AM   #182
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Come on, Napoli was never that real important ^.^ Do you come from there? That would explain your try your attempt to convince us of it.

I think the most important for the history in the world were the following ones (divided into continents):

Europe: Athens, Rome, Constantinopel/Istanbul (in ancient eras); London, Augsburg, Cologne, Regensburg, Venice, Paris (in the medieval ages)

Africa: Cairo/Gizeh (ancient eras), Kapstadt (colonial times)

North America: Washington (colonization), New York (since it was found )

South America: Mexiko (the areas where the aztecs and other "tribes" settled), Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires

Asia: Beijing, Ulan Bator

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Old January 6th, 2007, 01:10 PM   #183
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Toledo in Spain. It was the capital of Spain before Madrid. Judish, Arabs and Christian were living together in peace
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Old January 8th, 2007, 03:08 AM   #184
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Asia: Beijing, Ulan Bator

Beijing was never much of an important city until recent times. China had a diffeent ancient capital. Same goes for the Ulaanbaatar. It wasn't Mongolia's capital whehn they ruled half the world. The real capital was destroyed. Also in Asia i would also include cities such as Delhi, Angkor, Baghdad, and Persopolis.
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Old January 8th, 2007, 03:51 AM   #185
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Europe: Athens, Rome, Constantinopel/Istanbul (in ancient eras); London, Augsburg, Cologne, Regensburg, Venice, Paris (in the medieval ages)
Excuse me but cities like Antwerp, Amsterdam, Lisbon and also Napels were far more important than Augsburg during their hey-day.

Kind of odd nobody mentions Antwerp. It was Europe's foremost trading center in the first half of the 16th century, as well the largest city after Paris. I think that's noteworthy enough.
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Old January 20th, 2007, 10:46 AM   #186
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I think that, most people here, forgot Venice. One of the most influent cities of the world historically, not as much as Rome or Athens, but sure, more than London. Venice, at the time when London was evolving, was at the centre of the worldwide economy, merchants, banks, social wellness...only Amsterdam after took its role.

so my vote goes to:

1) Roma and Athens
2) Venice(Venezia) and Amsterdam
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Old February 19th, 2007, 10:26 PM   #187
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Europe: Athens, Rome, Constantinopel/Istanbul (in ancient eras); London, Augsburg, Cologne, Regensburg, Venice, Paris (in the medieval ages)
In the middle ages the most important german cities were Nurnberg and Augsburg, replaced by Bremen and other northern cities after the luteran reform and the rise of german capitalism (and the independence from italian cities economy). However the most important cities in Europe were Florence over all (on his own it was richer than the whole France, England or the Empire), then Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Nurnberg, Augsburg, Naples. Dante says in the Comedy that during his life Florence was the half of Paris and Milan, twice London and four times Rome. Don't know about Athens, but of course all the Islamic cities were more develpoed than the other eurpean cities.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 11:29 PM   #188
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world leading cities:

I century: Rome
II century: Rome
III century: Rome
IV century: Rome
V century: Rome, Constantinople
VI century: Constantinople, european deurbanization
VII century: Constantinople, european deurbanization
VIII century: Constantinople, southern Europe islamic cities, Pavia (seat of the Longbards kings)
IX century: Constantinople, traveling court of the French king, Pavia (until the defeat of Longbards by the French), Rome (with the rising power of the Pope due to the organization of the Holy roman Empire), southern Europe islamic cities
X century: rise of the maritime rupublics, Rome, traveling court of the Emperor, Constantinople
XI century: Genoa and Venice, rise of London and Paris, traveling court of the Emperor, Rome, Constantinople
XII century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg, Rome (winning the investiture controversy)
XIII century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Palermo (with Frederick II) Augsburg, Nurnberg, Rome
XIV century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg, Naples (becoming capital of his reign), Rome
XV century: reinassance centres (Florence, Milan, Rome, Mantova, Ferrara, Urbino, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Brussels), Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg
XVI century: reinassance centres (Florence, Milan, Rome, Mantova, Ferrara, Urbino, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Brussels), Paris, London, northern german cities, hanseatic league, rise of Madrid as a capital
XVII century: affirmation of national states, Paris, London, Madrid, Rome (centre of counter reform), other capital cities
XVIII century: Paris, London, Vienna, Madrid
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Old February 20th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #189
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What about Jeruslam - birth place three major religions.

Also Baghdad -though not much remaining now -it was the center of Mesopotomia civilization.

But by most other accounts - Athens for sure. Thanks to Aristotle & Socrates!
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Old February 20th, 2007, 06:30 PM   #190
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Istanbul
The first human settlement in Istanbul, the Fikirtepe mound on the Anatolian side, is from the Chalcolithic period, with artifacts dating from 5500-3500 BC
i didn't know taht


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population

330: 15.000
400: 200.000
530: 500.000
545: 350.000
715: 300.000
950: 500.000
1200: 150.000
1453: 36.000
1477: 75.000
1566: 600.000
1817: 500.000
1860: 715.000
1885: 873.570
1890: 874.000
1897: 1.059.000
1901: 942.900
1914: 909.978
1927: 680.857
1935: 741.148
1940: 793.949
1945: 860.558
1950: 983.041
1955: 1.268.771
1960: 1.466.535
1965: 1.742.978
1970: 2.132.407
1975: 2.547.364
1980: 2.772.708
1985: 5.475.982
1990: 6.620.241
1997: 8.260.438
2000: 8.803.468
2005: 9.797.536
2006: 10.034.830
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Old February 20th, 2007, 09:07 PM   #191
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of course TOLEDO in Spain, it was the capital city of Spain 1500 years ago, and was the biggest jewish center of the world,
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Old February 20th, 2007, 10:37 PM   #192
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Cairo... lol I dont know, I suck at history
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 03:35 PM   #193
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To me its Jerusalem and Baghdad.
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 05:13 PM   #194
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i think macca and madina should be added in your list
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 08:16 PM   #195
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I did a quick count and the top five Most Historic City voted for are:

1. Athens 51

2. Rome 50

3. Istanbul/Jerusalem 28

4. Cairo 21

5. Beijing 19


The Golden Age of Athens, during the Age of Pericles, is probably why Athens is considered one of the most historic cities in the world. In many ways Western Civilization, which has spread throughout the world, originates from those times. Roughly between 400 - 500 BC.



Athens' downfall came when Justinian under Judaeo-Christian beliefs and authority, closed the 'pagan' schools of Athens, including the Academy in 529 AD. Religious dogma and the super-natural replaced reasoning and science.

Arthur.C. Clarke (inventor and author of Space Odyssey 2001) is quoted as saying - If Christianity and Turkish occupation hadn't stopped the Greek civilization from its advanced progress in mathematics, chemistry and physics, the Greeks could have been to space 600 years before the Americans.
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Old February 23rd, 2007, 08:50 PM   #196
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world leading cities:

I century: Rome
II century: Rome
III century: Rome
IV century: Rome
V century: Rome, Constantinople
VI century: Constantinople, european deurbanization
VII century: Constantinople, european deurbanization
VIII century: Constantinople, southern Europe islamic cities, Pavia (seat of the Longbards kings)
IX century: Constantinople, traveling court of the French king, Pavia (until the defeat of Longbards by the French), Rome (with the rising power of the Pope due to the organization of the Holy roman Empire), southern Europe islamic cities
X century: rise of the maritime rupublics, Rome, traveling court of the Emperor, Constantinople
XI century: Genoa and Venice, rise of London and Paris, traveling court of the Emperor, Rome, Constantinople
XII century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg, Rome (winning the investiture controversy)
XIII century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Palermo (with Frederick II) Augsburg, Nurnberg, Rome
XIV century: Florence, Milan, Venice, Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg, Naples (becoming capital of his reign), Rome
XV century: reinassance centres (Florence, Milan, Rome, Mantova, Ferrara, Urbino, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Brussels), Paris, London, Augsburg, Nurnberg
XVI century: reinassance centres (Florence, Milan, Rome, Mantova, Ferrara, Urbino, Antwerp, Amsterdam, Brussels), Paris, London, northern german cities, hanseatic league, rise of Madrid as a capital
XVII century: affirmation of national states, Paris, London, Madrid, Rome (centre of counter reform), other capital cities
XVIII century: Paris, London, Vienna, Madrid
I am sorry Annibale but I don't understand your list. Istanbul was a leading city especially in XIV, XV, XVI, XVII and XVIII centuries because of Ottoman Empire's widespread sovereignty... Almost 1/3 of Europe, all of Middle East and Northern Africa, all of Caucasian territories, half of Meditterranean Sea were under the Ottoman rules and Istanbul was the capital of the Empire. These are golden ages of Istanbul. Topkapi Palace, Dolmabahce Palace, Beilerbei Palace, Ceragan Palace, Yildiz Palace, Blue Mosque, The Grand Bazaar, Egyptian Bazaar, Suleimanie Mosque, the New Mosque, Mimar Sinan's numerous masterpieces, many of classical hamams, gardens, palaces, kiosks, villas, towers, fortresses, fountains built in these centuries.

You must consider it again.

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And my list is;

Classical and Eternal Trilogy;

1. Athens
2. Rome
3. Istanbul

Other main historical centers;

4. Cairo
5. Jerusalem
6. Ancient Indian Cities (I don't know about them but I strongly believe that they are much more historical than the cities I know)
7. Beijing
8. Esfahan
9. Damascus
10. Baghdad
11.Paris
12. Venice
13. Florence
14. London
15. Samarkand and the other Ancient Turkic cities
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I am sorry Annibale but I don't understand your list. Istanbul was a leading city especially in XIV, XV, XVI, XVII and XVIII centuries because of Ottoman Empire's widespread sovereignty... Almost 1/3 of Europe, all of Middle East and Northern Africa, all of Caucasian territories, half of Meditterranean Sea were under the Ottoman rules and Istanbul was the capital of the Empire. These are golden ages of Istanbul. Topkapi Palace, Dolmabahce Palace, Beilerbei Palace, Ceragan Palace, Yildiz Palace, Blue Mosque, The Grand Bazaar, Egyptian Bazaar, Suleimanie Mosque, the New Mosque, Mimar Sinan's numerous masterpieces, many of classical hamams, gardens, palaces, kiosks, villas, towers, fortresses, fountains built in these centuries.

You must consider it again.
Of course i'm wrong, it was only a list of what i know... everybody can modify it
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Quite a lot of Western-centric responses here. Are students not taught history from the rest of the world in the West?
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Rome and Jerusalem stick out above everything else to me.
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